Rumour: GEOS Late in Paying Salaries

Dear Just Me,

Please bash it up your ass.

Love

J,J,Johnnie THE FIST

PS I think your time would have been better spent, working on how to find the money that is needed to pay the people who have not been paid, since reports in are that no-one wants to buy your lovely products anymore.

Perhaps you should be look for a sponsor. Hmm? Just an idea.

The way I see it, you have two choices. See the light, and be thankful, respectful, and professional, and try harder than ever, or jump on this hysterical doom and gloom bandwagon, that has no substance.

Well "Professional", it's all well and good that you repeat the company line about respect, integrity and the like. But can you now live up to your professed values and explain:

Why have the Japanese staff been paid late twice in a row?
Will Japanese staff be paid on time this month?
Will instructors be paid on Friday?

There's some serious substance in the rumours - Japanese staff have been paid late twice in a row, and this mirrors the beginnings of other eikaiwa and company collapses, such as Nova.

Expecting instructors and staff to be all positive about their job, and work harder than ever, is pretty futile given the rumours abounding on message boards like this, and the lack of transparency from the company.

I await your response with interest.

The way I see it, you have two choices. See the light, and be thankful, respectful, and professional, and try harder than ever, or jump on this hysterical doom and gloom bandwagon, that has no substance.

Whether you like it or not, "Professional", word of mouth, rumours, and people jumping on the "bandwagon" are part and parcel of Japan. Many, many bigger and better companies than late-paying GEOS have gone down on this basis.

It is admirable of you to staunchly defend your company - as did Nova's management as it was going down. Heck, you probably even wear a GEOS suit lapel every day. I recall the expressions "Nothing to see here", "The money will be in the bank to be transferred tomorrow", "Hold on a bit longer - do it for the students".

But let me make this very clear: YOU are completely dispensible. What are the Nova Gaijin "Managers" up to these days? Thats right, piss-farting around with G-Con, and the others pissed off back home with their tails between their legs.

At the end of the day, why not start showing some respect for the Japanese staff who have been paid late TWICE. Stop living in the Gaijin GEOS bubble and wake up to reality. You talk of "Integrity", stating that "GEOS is a company worthy of trust." To whom? The Japanese who were paid late? The students who have invested big money in their "education" and are now concerned - legitimately - that they have pissed it up against a wall?

Fact: You are a company stooge who is speaking complete and utter nonsense.

Hang on,

You make a fair comment, bash a few reputable textbooks (not the GEOS ones, before you start!) ... then go on to say that you teach from... the Japan Times...? C'mon seriously? or is that just an example to show how bad the GEOS books are?
Sorry, I know that's off topic, good luck to the GEOS teachers, enjoying reading the board blah-blah and all that.. but C'mon. really?

7. Remember that 500 years from now, no one will remember you or your problems. On the surface, this may seem depressing, but actually it is quite liberating. As Camus said, the ultimate goal in life is, "to live a good life and die a good death." That's all we got, folks. Keep it in perspective.

are you kidding, 5 months from now, no one will remember...

I agree that there needs to be some regulation of the eikaiwa industry in japan. But more than that, there needs to be enforcement of the law. These eikaiwa companies that are dropping like flies all over the countries these days are exploiting the japanese public and the foreigners who come to japan to work for them. Japanese companies like these make doing business with Japanese look bad and their economy suffers because of it. I heard that a consumer watchdog agency was only recently started in Japan. Too little, too late.

Organize and strike now or work to rule or whatever. The situation has got to change!

I truly hope that GEOS will be fine but if it is true that the staff have been paid late 2 weeks in a row then it's pretty obvious that it's not going to be.

Just a bit of advice to teachers

Don't quit, it's easier to get unemployment benefits quickly if you wait until you lose your job and it's not your choice.

Use all your remaining paid holidays now. You might assume that the company wont keep attendance records during a bankrupcy but this is Japan, some people will be working till the bitter end and keeping these records. If the company pays you for all sick days great, if not then if you get salary replacement from the Government then it'll be less. Best to use your paid holidays up first as they can't really deny these (well they can legally as especially now it could force business operations to cease but it's still a sticking point)

Don't be a dick, it's not big and it's not clever and can turn round and bite you in the ass later on. NOVA teachers who acted like dicks and wanted to be rehired by the neoNOVA G-scum company found they were the first to go when it came time for them to cut down the number of teachers. Sure they all said they were model teachers but who actually believed them except others like them. No be as professional as possible, it can only look good. Either it will have no effect or a good effect. Acting like a dick will have no effect or a bad effect. It's better to cover your bases as you never know what will happen.

Find another job soon. I don't know how many foreigners GEOS hires now but that will mean a flooding of the job market (which is already shit) and any jump you can get on that is worthwhile.

Don't believe the Japanese staff. Sure you might have a "great relationship" with them or you think you do, they are company people and most likely will not tell you important information of they have been told by the company not too.

Don't be overly optimistic, if the company cannot pay you then they are obviously having problems, in the current economic climate this can only too easily spell disaster. Teachers will leave, students wont re-sign and the company will have less money. If they can't pay you now do you think they'll be able to pay you next month?

Advice for the managers

Same as above and also stop lying to yourself and others. Reading things like everything is fine nothing to see here with absolutely nothing to back it up with is ridiculous and shows a total lack of respect to your workers. These rumours may very well turn out to be nothing but rumours but to flat out deny things with nothing to back it up with isn't going to change many people's minds.

Good luck to GEOS. I hope the teachers aren't as dumb as many of the NOVA teachers 2 years ago (pretty much exactly) don't teach for food, teach for money. With money you can buy food :D

The problem is, neither sides can show proof. Just rumour.
Or if they try to, others will shout them down.
We can only wait til tomorrow and see what happens.
On one hand, it'll be a bit of an anticlimix (and relief) if we do get paid. On the other, I'm sure people will start saying "next month."
I'll post in the morning if the ¥ is in the bank. Or if it's not...

Yeah...I got my escape plan. Been planning for months and I couldnt have timed it better myself. Im gone as soon as I get paid. Feel real bad for the students, but the students at my school have been lining for refunds as has other schools....not soo many students around anymore, classrooms nearly empty. Most classes have one or two students. My biggest class on my schedule is 3!! Horrible.
NO students= NO money
GEOS is going down sooner or later. Hope it wont be tomorrow.

Sayonara GEOS!!!

I honestly think the best course of action is to be looking for other alternatives to Geos now, but don't just jump ship at the first offer that comes your way. Try to spend a bit of time thinking about your options and get something at least half-decent. As other posters have said, you should have government assistance to fall back on if you do lose your job.

Not last month, but the month before I wasn't paid until 11:30am. I needed money at 9am to go to Japanese school, but it wasn't there yet. Last month.... can't remember, but I was paid on the correct day.

Ur, have you been back home lately?!? There are no real jobs opening up back home right now. Im a certified K~6 teacher in Arizona with a masters in education and I'm teaching in a kindergarten in South Korea. The job market is BAD everywhere. If you can hold out for unemployment, do it!!!

If the do go belly up, (and provided your white and from North America) you could always come here. They will pay for your flight over and your salary is generally better. Living here is not as much fun though.

There are no delays in paying wages for this month. Everything is on schedule.

Good news that you've been paid. Gives a bit of breathing space.

Any word on whether J-staff have been paid on time?

Dammit! The deathwatch was about to get interesting, too.

I still got Dec. 6 in the deadpool....

Mmwwwaahaahahahahaa...

at the moment that makes most companies in Japan criminal - I see even JAL have applied for a government loan. It seems from my slightly unbiased (slightly because I did use to work for GEOS, about 3 years ago and I hope they don't go down) that you're just disappointed that the staff got paid - and that makes you an ass. How would you feel if you were in the same situation?

Seems confirmed that the Foreign teachers are paid... seems like the Japanese staff haven't but can anyone else confirm that?
Also, Midnight? I second the "pah" on that.

ELS has indeed filed for bankrupcy - here was everyone watching GEOS.
I hope it's not true - can anyone confirm ?

Thanks, and sorry again.
just so we know, I'm hearing the managers got paid at 12pm. Ie just now.

GEOS has long had a policy of minimal advertising-with Kaichos idea to rely on word of mouth advertising and save costs. I was at GEOS for two and a half years and in the two schools I worked at the advertising never went beyond posters and the manager handing out tissues. Its not really a big shift if GEOS is stopping what little print advertising they were doing. There was a lot of debate when I was there as to whether this very policy would be a nail in the coffin.

Lets just say I am very very glad I got out when I did. I think the Eikawa bubble burst long ago and that it was only downhill from there. It all got too big, too fast and was a million miles from sustainable. Having said that I recently got my end of contract bonus. I was expecting a big fight on my hands and figured that this would be the first thing to go if GEOS was going to start seriously screwing people over to start cutting costs. Instead it just took a tiny amount of chasing and I gotta defend the guys in charge of that.

So how can they be paying out these bonuses if they are on the verge of going under? It still surprises me that they didnt write this out of the contracts if they saw trouble on the horizon. Surely being able to pay your current staff is more important than an incentive to attract staff that pays them out after they leave. Who seriously sticks around in GEOS for that bonus?

One way or another it was all far to unstable for me and I knew from the poor NOVA staff that I would have little or no rights if push came to shove. For all you guys still in the trenches-if you havent got a plan B yet-now is the time! Iam not saying let them push you out- but ever since NOVA went under people have been stressing about when the hammer would fall at GEOS. Why wait to see what happens?

I thought they got paid today. Still twice is worrying.
But different from NOVA - that went - no bonuses -> Japanese staff not paid -> everyone not paid -> Bankrupt.
From what I can gather, for GEOS it's been - Japanese staff not paid -> again -> everyone paid.
but I think it's still safe to say... firmly in the woods.

If you look at the information on this site, I think it's safe to say that they're not out of the woods. I'd say the next 6-12 months will be crucial to see if GEOS can weather the storm and stabilize student numbers. My guess is that there'll be more branch closures and teacher lay-offs/non-renewals of contracts.

I wouldn't sit too comfortably.

GEOS is as good as bankrupt. No new students will sign now - the Japanese are not complete retards, they hear the rumors. No new students = No new cash flow in next few months = NO PAY.
If there are any GEOS teachers out there who are not actively making plans for a new job - then they are complete morons.

J,J,J,Johnnie THE FIST

The saddest part of all this are these company hacks. Maybe Geos is not at the verge of bankruptcy yet, but it certainly is having serious problems. The environment is bad enough for English schools the way it is. When one starts scaring students and staff with late payments, that has got to hurt.

Geos does not seem to be the total basket case Nova was, but these company hacks are just as pathetic as some of the Nova ones were. Most people want to have jobs, but that is no excuse for sticking your heads in the sand and giving a company that could care less about you so much loyalty.

Don't you have any kind of identity outside of your jobs?? People attacking Geos are not attacking you personally.

That said, you are a foreign worker doing a relativily low-skilled job in a company the government is not going to save (nor is anyone going to protect you). You are on your own so you should face the very real threat that Geos will go down relatively soon.

Even if Geos survives the short term, it certainly is not a long-term bet.

PLAN B!! You always should be thinking of this no matter what job you are doing!

The Japanese Staff were paid (very slightly.... 1-3 days) late in August

Spaceporter, sorry but there is not such thing as being paid very slightly late. It is like being "slightly pregnant". You either get paid , or paid late - which is what GEOS have been doing to Japanese staff. Some of those people have bills to pay, and budget for payday, and that disgrace for a company GEOS has failed them all. Can anyone produce any evidence to suggest that sham for a company won't fail them all again?

Lets make this very clear : THE SOONER LATE-PAYING GEOS GOES DOWN THE BETTER - PEOPLE CAN THEN MOVE ON.

Dan,

Get the chip off your shoulder man - I used to work for GEOS too, so I really can sympathise and feel your pain... but you sound bitter, so you must have ahd a worse time than me.

But you are right! late paying is illegal, and it was done twice in a row, which is not good for employees or the company. This month from what I'm reading, it seems everyone (even the managers) got paid on time. Maybe I've misunderstood though.

Anyway, I have better things to post about, as do you, So let's wish the current GEOS staff the best, and hope (for them) it's a sign that things are on the up.

let the j's have their own small world.

Seriously, just a momentary money problem folks, so minor in fact that it only meant that Japanese staff could not be paid (and bugger them), but it is all better now.

Whatever was going on, use this message board to keep pressure on GEOS, especially next pay day.

Hmm. Let me see Yahagi, yes, my wonderful reputation (which you seem to care about more than me) is now destroyed, because, despite not being able to pay it’s Japanese staff, despite being well and truly up against the ropes (common knowledge), GEOS managed to find the coin to pay it’s instructors, this time.

Ha ha ha. What are you? The Chief Nuff Nuff of the United Eikaiwa Federation, or are you some kind of screwed up Eikaiwa loving junky?

Or are you just yet another Eikaiwa retard? Hmm?

If I were an instructor, I would feel extremely safe and secure, working for that polished GEOS outfit (just like Yahagi obviously does), because, having managed to just pay their staff, they are clearly a wonderful, safe, and secure organization to be working for. They will certainly be around for a long, long, long time to come, and with absolute certainty, everyone is very safe and secure tucked neatly under the GEOS wing.

Yeah, right. Think you might want to consider a career change Yahagi, no offence.

THORN

Yeah, just leave him to play with himself, and take no notice of him.

Nova Dicky

Junken Master. What the? Arguing that, depsite late payments to J staff, and it being common knowledge the company is in deep shit (hence late payments 2 months in a row), that all is just dandy, because this month, instructors got paid on time?

Are you some kind of retard?

I hate Eikaiwa, and make no apologies about that fact, in case you had not noticed, by the way.

Also by the way, on restoration of reputations, I would take the reputation of a dung beetle, over that of an Eikaiwa operator, any day.

Got that? Hmmm?

Pfft!

THORN

Seems like someone has really got up your nose. Hmmm. Deep Impact. Hmmm. Oh well, that's the price I pay, for being famous.

I love being the centre of your attention.

PS: I hear that the news of GEOS instructors being paid has resulted in a massive change in consumer sentiment, and customers are lining up like we are all back in the middle of the bubble economy. The future is bright. NOT!

However, more seriously, for those feeling just a little bit nervous, please refer to Yahagi River (and aliases) for moral support and heartfelt feelings.

Yahagi River cares deeply for the instructors in an emotional sense, where as, I simply don't. Truly, I really don't. Especially these days.

With all the information out there over the last decade and more, like, you know, with the information super highway and all, only a retard would sign up for a tour of duty in Eikaiwa land to begin with, especially with a company known to be struggling.

THORN

I think you have found yourself, whoever you are, on holidays in Japan, with nothing to do, hence me being the object of your fascination.

I am happy to be the object of your fascination. Please continue to indulge. Is it because the taste is sweet, or do you simply like to correspond with "ass"? Please, we don’t need to know the real reasons "behind" the latter.

Additionally, I think you should have a medal pinned to your chest, for being the internet entity that cares the most for the instructors.

Instructors, please refer to Yahagi (and aliases) for heartfelt advice.

You won't get any sympathy from me, if that is what you are looking for.

Frankly, and so sorry to repeat myself, even if on queue, I think that people who sign up for Eikaiwa, given the information so freely available these days about them, who expect anything other than the short end of the stick, are fools.

And do tell me, OH YE Internet Lord Saviour of and Bandaid to the Bleeding Hearts of the Eikaiwa Slave Boat, do you think people should have faith in GEOS, and stay put?

I don’t. I think greater eikaiwa history strongly suggests GEOS is heading for the bottom of the Atlantic. You must admit, the situation these past few months really does not paint a pretty picture, does it?

If it does join HMAS Novatanic, I won’t shed a single tear. Quite the opposite in fact.

THORN

'With all the information out there over the last decade and more, like, you know, with the information super highway and all, only a retard would sign up for a tour of duty in Eikaiwa land to begin with, especially with a company known to be struggling' Thorn

That's a bit like saying all the people whose homes are in foreclosure now had it coming to them and you won't shed a tear. Really, it is a very similar attitude to that of the people who are ripping them off. It's their justification, in fact. Suckers have it coming. We're educating them by stealing from them.

Nevertheless, getting totally fucked over is what happens to an awful lot of people every year. People who, for whatever reason never get to the level of understanding they need before it is too late - the level of hype to get people back into the markets at this time has never been higher and educated people worldwide are falling for it.

Thorny, don't be too disappointed that you didn't achieve full orgasm last time round. Be careful though, working yourself up to climax at the end of each month will get more and more energy-sapping as time goes by. If and when GEOS finally does fall, you might have completely run out of juice, if you catch my drift.

Hey Luke dude, chill man!! Ya know it's like, everyone's just havin' a great big party on this board dude, nothing to get aggro about. Chill and enjoy the party dude.

You bet ya!!

You bet ya Lukey boy!!! When GEOS falls, I'll just carry on partyin' dude, coz that's what life in Japan is bro'. It's one non-stop party brother!!!

You bet ya!!!

Peter Party Town

Ha ha ... I agree Thorn, Peter Party Guy sounds suspiciously like the 4th picture of Charisma Man from the following series : http://www.karatethejapaneseway.com/photos/charisma_man_03.jpg

It seems there are still a few Charisma Men hanging on in Japan for dear life...

Steve

Professional: Your post on the so called "spirit of GEOS" is so far removed from the reality of working at GEOS that I can only assume that you are trying to be satirical? Just to point out some of the most obvious flaws...
(1) Respect for the Individual

We treat one another with respect and dignity, appreciating individual, cultural, and national differences. We seek to learn and therefore we listen to one another attentively and compassionately and communicate often and openly. Recognizing that valuable ideas can come from anyone regardless of level or position, we encourage individuals to express their views and use their talent to the fullest. Company policy prohibits discrimination against employees, stockholders, directors, officers, customers or suppliers on account of race, color, age, sex, religion or national origin. All persons shall be treated with dignity and respect.

This is a complete joke! Obviously you have never seen, or weren't able to understand, the typical communication between head office and the staff of an individual school (especially the manager) I have, on more than one occasion, seen a manager (sometimes in their first job, and who has received no training) reduced to tears by abusive phonecalls from head office. Abusive is exactly the correct adjective, as often these calls are ridiculously personal, and /or threatening- You must make X CSSM today or we can't afford to pay the bills (wages) sound familiar? Well, you certainly came good on that threat this time, didn't you?
Employees of all levels who are deemed to have underperformed (ie not sold enough in whatever campaign is currently occupying head offices' braincell) are called upon to attend V-chats- these are nothing more than crude punishments. The kind of language that I have heard from your fellow "managers" to teachers on these V-chats includes gems like "you're lying" "no that didn't happen, you're wrong" "be quiet" etc. Great examples of compassionate listening!
I notice also that on this list of reasons not to discriminate that appearance isn't mentioned- Kaicho telling a Japanese female manager that the reason she didn't get sign ups was because she was "fat and ugly" was obviously perfectly acceptable wasn't it?

What kind of respect do I witness in here? Little wonder most of you never manage to step outside of the instructors shoes, in your GEOS journey
- the respect that you see here is far greater than ever was shown by head office to any individual employee.

(2) Team Spirit

At GEOS, our team spirit binds us together, transcending organizational, functional, and geographic boundaries. We work hard towards a common goal and deliver beyond expectations. We cooperate, collaborate, and empower one another in recognition that a global effort translates into exceptional solutions and services.

Someone hasn't been listening to Kaichos' speeches have they? Kaicho makes it very clear that all the failings of the company are down to managers, this is when they are not the fault of the teachers. The idea that head office actually has responsiblity for the consequences of its' decisions has never really hit home, has it? There is nothing more destructive to team spirit than this.

Well, most of us do. The minority, the trouble makers, come on to places like Let’s Japan and fire away, anonymously.

(3) Innovation

We constantly strive to redefine the standard of excellence in everything we do. Therefore, we are open to ideas that challenge the convention, seek diversity of views and drive innovation. We encourage both individuals and teams to constantly search for innovative technologies and creative business solutions and recognize their achievements.

As mentioned above GEOS is using textbooks from the 1990s. There is little/ no training on offer. "Managers" because of their role of bully-in-chief, and because it might encourage people to say what they actually think give no opportunity for indivduals to speak. Any comment that suggests that things could be better also implies that things are not currently perfect, and is therefore taboo. Staff at individual schools have no say in the running of the school- if you want to buy some washing up liquid you got to get it OKed. The use of construction paper has been forbidden (too expensive) There is no mechanism to pass suggestions on, and anyway "innovative technologies and creative business solutions" only distract attention from the main point of today, ie put as much money on Kaichos' pocket as you possibly can.

(4) Integrity

We are committed to conduct ourselves in a manner consistent with the highest standards of integrity. We are honest, ethical, and fair in all our activities. We keep our word, deliver on our promises, and acknowledge our mistakes. Our personal and business conduct ensure that GEOS is a company worthy of trust.

Fact – no instructor has not been paid.

-what about the Japanese staff?
If you had bothered to read the uketsuke pamphlet and counted the lies in that you might have a different opinion. My particular favourite is the part detailing all the training that teachers receive- absolute nonsense! I was lied to many, many times in my "GEOS journey" with so called "managers" going to huge lengths to try to treat staff out of any kind of benefit, extra payments, holidays etc. However, the biggest lie of all has been mentioned above- the deliberate misreporting of hours worked. There are no teachers working only 29.5 hours, and if they were they'd already have had their jobs cut. What this misreporting actually amounts to is tax evasion, so, not only is the company at every level dishonest, it is also criminal.

(5) Our Customers

We are dedicated to creating value for our worldwide customers by developing and providing technologically advanced solutions and services. We build lasting relationships with our customers by listening, understanding, and anticipating our customers’ needs. We are easy to do business with and always strive to be responsive and professional. GEOS customers can trust our commitment to their success.

You've obviously never been in a school where the CD player is busted- obviously they can't afford a new one. The teacher acting out a 4 person dialogue by themselves is a fine example of "developing and providing technologically advanced solutions and services"

Fact – GEOS is one of the major language players, globally

Fact- You are living up your own hole if you believe one comma of what you wrote is true. Whilst I truly hope that the people working in good faith at school level are not hurt by the staggering incompetence, bullying and dishonesty of "managers" like you I can only hope that GEOS and any similar company goes where it deserves- right down the toilet.

Me too, I can sniff him, loud and clear. Come on Dicky, out with it, sitting there behind your computer, gnashing your teeth, slavering at the mouth. I can sniff ya Dicky, I can sniff ya!!!

Not to change the subject, but have other people been scanning the "Gaijinpot.com" website? Looks as though some places are hiring on a revolving basis. What is happening to the people who leave? Can we get some input from people working in those situations? Really, I'd like to hear from a wider group of folks out there.

This what all eikaiwa are like. The whole thing is based on lies, it's about giving the impression that it's professional and proper, and giving it a nice, sleek, glossy packaging, in order to hide the fact that there's absolutely no substance to it.

And they'll do whatever they have to - and I mean whatever - to make money. They're quite prepared to screw staff and customers over to achieve that.

For me, eikaiwa is a fundamentally a substance-less, pointless business. As soon as it does get some substance - for instance, qualified teachers, a proper syllabus, and development of language skills - in my book, it goes from being an eikaiwa, a conversation school, to a language school. That's why, for me, eikaiwa can never be any other way.

I find it very hard to believe that an eikaiwa had "integrity". I'm sure that, if I had a look at the way they run their business, I could find flaws in it. But I have to give you the benefit of the doubt on this one.

As for my "all eikaiwa..." comment, it's hyperbole. Exaggeration to highlight the fact that eikaiwa, from what I've seen, heard and experienced, broadly follow the "business model" I outlined previously. The same can be said about your comment that "there are many other (eikaiwa with a good deal of integrity) all over Japan, usually smaller outfits that have two or three branches at most". Have you worked at "many other eikaiwa", let's say, around 10 different ones, "all over Japan", that is, Kyushu, Shikoku, the regions of Honshu, and Hokkaido?

I'm open to debate on it if you want. I can not see any real worth or value in eikaiwa. It's cheap entertainment, along with karaoke or pachinko. I can't conceive of eikaiwa as being anything other than that.

As I said, you can make it into something of value by bringing proper language training methods into it, but then, to my mind, it would stop being eikaiwa and become language learning. They're two different things. The whole idea of eikaiwa is to "talk", nothing more. There's no learning involved in it, no practice or development of language.

As for eikaiwa business practices, I can see that, maybe, there are more than a few small "mom and pop" eikaiwas out there that treat their instructors and customers properly. They have to as they usually only have a few people working for them and a small core of students. I'd agree with you that those places probably, on average, have more integrity.

Generally though, eikaiwa is pretty much worthless all round from what I've seen, and the management practices generally range from poor to downright despicable. I trust you'll offer some specific facts and concrete examples from your own experience to challenge this. I'm interested to hear.

Hmmm……

There are only 4 “major” Eikaiwa outfits (well, 3 now, since the demise of Nova Corporation), and I worked for two of them, and they were both low grade glorified karaoke boxes, spewing forth English language from the lips of mostly untrained gits who would not have a clue, supervised by retards, that being the medium which replaced whiskey fuelled singing.

Friends that worked at others, continually reported the same problems that we all despised at the two I had experience working for.

Frankly, any retard walking the street, in a “I have taught too many Pizza Lessons today” stupor, should know that Eikaiwa is pretty much Eikaiwa – ie: Eikaiwa is shithouse and worthless, beyond surface curiosity and novelty for the shortest period of time.

You sound like a real scientist Moon.

Basically, you are saying, that unless someone has worked in every single Eikaiwa in Japan, that a general concept of Eikaiwa is thus inaccurate and/or false.

I beg to differ.

In a box full of rotten apples, there may well be one seemingly untarnished apple, but it is still quite ok, to say, “That is a box of rotten apples”.

Then of course, if you do, some eccentric anomaly of a person may jump in and say:

“Excuse me, there may well be an apple in that box that is unblemished, and thus, you sir, have no right to say that is a rotten box of apples. Please desist. Please say instead, the box of apples is largely populated by rotten apples, but if you are prepared to eat them all, you may be lucky, and strike one in there, amongst all the filth and detritus, that is not in a noticeably advanced state of decomposition. Until then, then please, it remains, a box of apples, and nothing else, and calling it anything else, is misleading”

Eikaiwa actually is rotten, to the very core.

THORN