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NHK Report on Problems with ALT Dispatch Companies
in the forums that NHK was putting together a report on Nova. The report aired on NHK on June 30 at 7:30 AM, and had more to do with problem surrounding ALT dispatch companies than Nova. Fortunately, the report has found its way onto YouTube.
Part 1
The reports begins with the Nova bunny beating down an employee. This is the teacher's union skit in Shibuya aimed at educating the public about how Nova treats its employees. The beef is that employment with Nova is unstable (all instructors have to renew their contracts annually) and the company needs to look after its workers better instead of being a slave to profits.
The report then switches to a union office in Tokyo that handles 1,000 consultations a month from instructors regarding issues such as sudden dismissals and contracts that are not renewed.
A Canadian, who has contracted with a dispatch company and teaches English 40 hours a week at an elementary school, visits the office. His problem is that the dispatch company won't enroll him in shakai hoken, the national health insurance and pension schemes. As the instructor explains, the dispatch company refused to enroll him because the company was "too small" and that shakai hoken was for Japanese people only.
Three years ago, he was diagnosed with kidney stones. At one point, the treatments and surgeries cost him over 250,000 yen, all of which he paid out of his own pocket because he did not have health insurance. In total, he paid approximately 700,000 yen. Fortunately for him, the union was able to negotiate with the dispatch company and get him enrolled in the national health plan. Unfortunately for him, the dispatch company terminated him last year.
The report then notes the trend of more English being taught in elementary and junior high schools across Japan. In all, there are about 10,000 foreign instructors teaching English with more than half of them employed through dispatch companies. This, of course, has lead to problems.
At a General Union rally in Match this year, the instructors demanded better working conditions saying the terms of their employment is illegal.
In Osaka, school boards contract with a dispatch company who provides English instructors. Although the instructor is hired by the dispatch company and should be taking orders from the company, but it was found that the schools were assigning classes to the instructors, which violates the Labour Dispatch Law.
Part 2
This type of labour issue is not limited to Osaka, however. Part 2 opens with the story of Samantha, an American living in Chiba and teaches English at an elementary school via Interac. Interac supplies more than 200 school boards across Japan with over 1,000 instructors. But just as with the cases in Osaka, she receives assignments directly from the school when it should be Interac who gives Samantha her marching orders.
Each week, Samantha creates a teaching schedule after consulting with the teachers, and then sends it off to Interac. A few days later, Interac sends back the very same schedule as her official schedule for the week.
A labour expert notes that cases like Samantha's conflict with the law. The expert notes that it is against the Labour Dispatch Law for employees contracted with a dispatch company to submit reports and have them rubber stamped by the company.
As a result of the labour problems, The Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology issued notices two years ago to school boards across Japan stating that the use of dispatch companies to hire instructors was illegal. The school board where Samantha works, however, claims to have not known about the notice.
After Samantha found out that her employment was illegal, she asked the school board to make improvements. Although she works 8-5 and 40 hours a week, her contract with Interac limits her hours to 29.5 a week making her ineligible for shakai hoken. Instead of talking with Interac, she took her case directly to the school, but they refused to hear her out. According to the head of the school board, the school had no plans to directly hire instructors, and would be stuck with the task of having to find a new instructor in the event an instructor quit. But as the interview makes clear, the school frames the issue as a matter of trust--they trust specialized companies like Interac to provide them with good instructors.
Comment: So are we supposed to believe that foreign instructors are not trustworthy?
Back to Samantha, she is thinking about retuning to the United States. Her story concludes by stating the obvious--with more foreign teachers working in Japan, resolving their labour problems is a big issue. NHK also points out that Interac refused to be interviewed.
The report wraps with a question: Why are these dispatch contracts being carried out if they are illegal? According to school board officials in Osaka, using teachers provided by dispatch companies means the schools don't have to worry about the terms and conditions of employment and the instructor's salaries. As for the school boards in Osaka who got nailed for their practices, they are currently considering hiring teachers directly or re-working the terms and conditions of the contracts.
Comment: This is what makes contracting with companies like Interac appealing to schools--they can provide a steady stream of cheap instructors.
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Eikaiwa Route 69
More simply put, if you want to have a real work and life experience in Japan, then Eikaiwa should be avoided like the bubonic plague.
If you have a definite plan, and you are looking to take a year off just to party “De La Japanese Gaijin Scene Way”, provisional to having a high tolerance to repetitive, inane, amateur clown work, then by all means, take Eikaiwa Route 69.
Eikaiwa not all doom and gloom
I worked at Nova for 8 years. Although the company was a terrible company, the job itself was fine. I got to meet and work with some great people, and saw many aspects of a culture very different to my own. I had issues with the company management, and knew them for the exploitative criminals that they were eventually proven to be, but the salary and lifestyle suited me, and I don't regret a moment of it.
Working in eikaiwa in Japan is not necessarily all doom and gloom that the naysayers make it out to be. If you approach the job with an open mind, and without too high expectations, then you can have a rewarding experience. Sure, the job is tedious, repetitive and as dull as ditch-water at times. But what job isn't like that? Those who complain about the work tend not to have worked before, or have an aversion to real work. If you have at least a couple of years experience of work behind you, then you'll find the job is a cake-walk compared to a real job.
And when you do have tough days, just think, what job in the world would pay you such a salary for essentially sitting there talking to people about whatever you like? You could not find an easier job for that kind of salary anywhere.
Coburg, you are absolutely
Coburg, you are absolutely right. I mean, if Amanda Knox had only come out to Japan and worked for Nova instead of going to Italy, then she probably never would have got in trouble at all. She would've steered clear of this Ishibashi character because he didn't have any drugs, put in her one or two year stint in the Nova factory and by now be happily stacking shelves in the Asian section of her local supermarket thinking she was better off than before.
Instead of that, what do we have? Fluent in Italian, worldwide attention, set to write a book and make millions. Doesn't do at all, does it?
Don't talk crap.
If you're not going to argue the point seriously would you mind not bothering? I think it was pointed out that Nova can be a crap place to work and a career dead end in and of itself, but not everyone who works there for a year or two ends up in supermarkets.
If given a choice between eight years at Nova and four in prison in Italy, I'd take Nova.
deluded
If you are fresh out of uni, no experience and no social skills then yes, by all means try eikaiwa jobs.
I like the use of "real job" in this thread... I also enjoyed the use of salary (spoken in the positive sense) in the same sentence as eikaiwa.
Lets talk about job satisfaction tho... sure, the occasional poon from your student pool may be nice, but there are so soooo many other chances for that out in the business world. If you can say "I get job satisfaction from repeating the same conversations 5+ times a week in a rotating cycle over and over and over again", or "I prefer jobs that feature as little personal growth or advancement potential", or perhaps "I prefer a job where I dont have to think very much at all" -- if you can say YES THIS APPLIES TO ME to any of these, then eikaiwa is for you!
There are plenty of jobs that provide mental stimulus, promote individual skill growth, are non-repetitive, AND which allow you to interact with the Jgirls out there. EX: System Engineering. It isnt for everyone for sure, but this is only ONE example.
If you MUST go eikaiwa, do it, get some coins saved and get skills. take your saved money and find a job you actually ENJOY.
Huh... theres something not mentioned yet... A job you enjoy... *boggle*
Don't do Japan Full Stop
Look if you are reading this before going to Japan then bear one thing in mind.
There is NO RULE OF LAW in Japan.
Sure, laws may exist on the statute books but are totally unenforced in reality.
What this means is that as a foreigner in Japan there is a strong possibility you
will be discriminated against based on your race, sex and definitely your nationality.
You will have no recourse within the Japanese labour laws to do anything about this.
Your boss can touch your arse if you are female and make comments about your
breasts; call you cocojin if you are in anyway dark in complexion; ignore you based on the
fact that you simply aren't Japanese; fail to pay you and fire you without reason / cause.
A crappy job in Japan isn't the same as a crappy job in a first world country.
Don't do Japan Full Stop
The above applies in crappy
The above applies in crappy jobs perhaps. If you get a job in a company that has some ethics and a good track record, you'll be better off and less likely to encounter that.
Work hard on those exams and interviews people!
Japan has racism? shocking
Japan has racism? shocking =)
There is recourse legally though. I've spent a few sessions in Hello Work (they arent there just for searching dreg-jobs). It helps if you speak the language at least halfassed tho. I mean, if you dont even speak the language... why are you even still here? Sure, there are some locations that have translators, but they are few - and usually packed with similar rejects waiting hours. There's also specialized centers for sexual abuse apparently. This is mostly for females ofc, but I work with one dude that may go there (another shocker, crazy knife weilding Jwife!). Aside from this, theres always the Jsatsu (police), but dont expect much help here unless you can explain your problem well enough.
As for firing without cause, contract work is like that anywhere (some countries enforce it stronger than here tho thats for sure). Eikaiwa contracts are about as strong as wet tissue. Everyone coming here should already understand this (if they've done their research). This works both ways tho -- anyone who "teaches" english at an eikaiwa and ISNT continually searching for a better job (even if it's a different eikaiwa) every single day is just asking for trouble.
But I guess the whole I Dont Like To Work In A Job Where I Have To Think comes in to play.... darwin got it right here. Natural selection at it's finest. Dont let the door hit you on the way out =)
As for the tests (JLPT I am assuming) - it certainly helps! Tho I have yet to take one of those tests and havent had problems at all.... but then again, I didnt come here fresh out of uni with no experience either... =P
Any Job!
It applies to any job and twice as much if you are female.
I have seen this in happen to foreigners in IT, education and finance where they were employed by a Japanese company regardless of how "good" the job was.
As for hello work you are dreaming, dreaming dreaming.
It's just too corrupt.
I am not saying elsewhere is perfect but give yourself a fighting chance if you are thinking of working abroad.
It applies to any job and
Do you have any other evidence of this, apart from your own memory of what happened? Any concrete studies about it?
Did those people feel bad about being mistreated by their Japanese bosses?
I know plenty of women who enjoy having their arses touched and their boobs complemented.
If you don't like it, go home
Well the simple answer is, if you can't handle living in a particular country, then leave!!
Plenty of people do handle it, and get on fine. Others don't and end up bitter and twisted, hateful towards the host culture. Plenty of studies have been done on that. I recall one that found that around 50% of immigrants adapt to the new culture, 40% don't and end up hating it, and about 10% end up over-identifying with the new culture and hating their home culture.
Comments focusing on and talking up the racism of the Japanese are likely from one of the 40% that don't adapt.
Japan a lawless land? Cuts
Japan a lawless land? Cuts both ways doesn't it? Means I can do whatever I like and maybe get away with it
To bad it's only the gals who get their arses patted though. What's with that? Guess you have to go with the quality companys like Berlitz if you want a little more equality opportunity eh?
@12:29
And what's wrong with working in a supermarket I ask you? Plenty of Japanese housewives do it, even if their husbands have good jobs. if you don't like it, Mr X, I suggest you justify your existence by keeping a very clean house.
Let's be clear about this: young American women who come to Japan often have a great deal of difficulty getting laid, drugs are hard to come by and that is as it should be.
Any parent who is letting their daughter go off on an overseas adventure should think seriously about encouraging them to go to Japan rather than Italy.
Eikaiwa are great. They keep these sex deprived youngsters from the allure of the hostess bar. While their hormones continue to settle down, they learn all about doing what they are told to at the right time and in the right measure.
Undoubtedly eikaiwa are a win-win situation for the societies of both the host and the guest nation - Mr X you may disagree if you will, but if Mr Coburg isn't already on my side I know how to persuade him.
15 years in Japan. Two friends drugged and raped. Dozens mistreated and unfairly dismissed. Disabled family members constantly bullied and victimised in the work place and myself being of African heritage almost daily racist comments.
Loved Japan but it was like having an abusive husband.
Your frat boy replies are weak.
It's a poor place to live.
Evidence?
Well that's not evidence, that's a story on a web board. Do you have links to any of this?
If you haven't already, I'd suggest you create a web page documenting what happened to your friends and co-workers. What kind of action did you take over this? Do tell, Japan does have problems with human trafficking, and it doesn't get half the coverage that other Asian countries get.
What's wrong with it? Nothing.
I never said there was anything wrong with it, but this person did:
"Think" she was better off than before, but not
better off than before? Furthermore the implication here seems to be that after working in eikaiwa working in a supermarket is the next logical career step. As far as I'm concerned there's no reason why people who work at Nova for a couple of years can't go on to do anything they want, and a lot have. Nothing wrong with working in a supermarket if that's what they want to do.
If you took a moment to read my post properly you might notice that I said I'd prefer eight years of eikaiwa in Japan to four years of prison in Italy. How do you get the idea I'm disagreeing?
It's all in the spin
I think, if you want to do another job after eikaiwa, it's all about how you spin your eikaiwa experience in the interview. If you tried to do the job as best you could (for what it's worth) then you may have a chance of getting something. If you treated eikaiwa like the "dancing monkey routine" and nothing more, then you're quite possibly screwed.
I get the impression the latter happened to some of the nutcases on here.
Frat boys working in Eikaiwa?
Frat boys working in Eikaiwa? Moving on to better jobs afterwards? Must be an occupation for winners after all.
China's the new hot place now, though, apparently.
"China's the new hot place
"China's the new hot place now, though, apparently."
Thanks for the tip. Shawn should nab the domain name "LetsChina", quick then, so he can whine on for three fucking decades about somewhere else for a change.
I'd like to add that contract
I'd like to add that contract and seishain fulltime are different beasts. It actually is harder to get screwed over if your seishain - but not impossible! Most peeps coming here will not find seishain tho.
I'll concur with previous comment about females getting more abuse than males. It's true in every country (except England nowdays i hear), but here it's specially ruf cuz the majority of serious crimes go unreported. I have spoken to a number of jgirls in their 20's and 30's that have had a fairly colorful past in this area.
I still think there is recourse tho, because I worked out several issues myself, all starting with consults at hello work. Sure, one led to hiring a lawyer, but thats how shit works in any country if you want justice (whatever flavor that may be).
Where I come from, workplace monetary disputes are resolved with 1 phone call (companies get f'n huge fines if they dont comply), but here you gotta dance the dance and play the Jgame to get it done.
Do you have links to any of this?
You want me to place a link to crimes that occur in japan and are ignored by the jpolice?
Have you missed the point of what I am stating? Where are such links coming from? The police don't have website detailing how crap they are.
JAPAN LACKS RULE OF LAW?
Do you understand the term? You can look it up on wikipeadia you know.
I will say it again in case you didn't hear.
JAPAN LACKS RULE OF LAW?
Rape is ignored as a crime.
Racism is denied as standard.
Discrimination is the norm.
Sexism is accepted and encouraged.
These things are ignored. Not reported on.
Case in point.
My sister in-law has quit her last two jobs because her bosses / line managers have made inappropriate sexual advances in both work places. When reporting this further up the chain of command she has been victimised, bullied and had her bonuses cut. This is so so so common place in Japan. The fact you deny it suggests you don't really live here or spend your time in the artificial world of ekiawa.
If you need to go to hello work and hire lawyers to deal with this as a foreigner you are at a massive disadvantage. This underlines my point. Don't come to Japan thinking it is a developed western society. It's not, just be aware of what you might face.
Simple
So how come you put up with
So how come you put up with it for 15 years then? Place you came from even worse perhaps.
Different
Place I come from is different.
Better in some ways worse in others.
Better in this way.
You sound very bitter about
You sound very bitter about your experience, and resigned to not doing anything about it. You owe it to the people on the receiving end of this stuff to do something about it, rather than taking it up the rear end and saying "Japan lacks the rule of law" and "there's nothing you can do about it". If you think like that, then this shit will just go on and on, and you and everyone else will carry on getting screwed over. Probably for the best you got out of there.
This isn't true. Japan comes near the bottom of UN tables regarding gender and racial equality. That's certainly been reported on.
Rape is reported on as a crime also (see the Lindsay Ann Hawker murder).
How do you know this sort of thing goes on across the board if there aren't any stats or reporting on it anyway? You sound like you're just venting.
Everybody knows very well
Everybody knows very well that non whites who work in this country for the most part get treated like shit. If you're in that position yourself you don't need any stats to assert it. It's common knowledge, but something that is only reported on when extreme stuff happens, like someone dies of overwork. Even then, it won't necessarily get a mention.
Things got so bad on the trains that they had to come up with ladies only carriages: because after all it is a service that women are paying for. Other places - forget it.
Having said that, China would be a hell of a lot worse - if you could get a job at all. Cool for frat boys maybe. Literally hell for the factory workers.
You sound very defensive
You would need to have your head in the sand not to see the systemic discrimination, racism and corruption that goes on in Japan.
you nailed it when you said,
"Everybody knows very well that non whites who work in this country for the most part get treated like shit"
Calling someone "bitter" just because you disagree with them is pretty weak. No one is saying that Japan isn't a good place to visit but by not acknowledging it's problems you are not doing it any favours.
The lady stated that she did try to report these things but was ignored. I definitely agree.
And by the way I love Japan. Just got to be honest.
"You owe it to the people on
"You owe it to the people on the receiving end of this stuff to do something about it, rather than taking it up the rear"
This is my thinking as well. Lawyers are expensive in any country - I took it all the way in my case and got a satisfactory resolution (shinken child custody issue - what a nightmare that was).
Understand that anon posts doesnt mean we're all the same person. I am not disputing most of what "JAPAN LACKS RULE OF LAW" girl is saying. Just quote the lines your replying to so you dont get yourself and others confused.
Overall tho, i'd say that its too easy to just say theres no rule of law over here. I think its more appropriate to stop whining about it and do as the romans do. Justice costs money over here. Police can ignore crimes, but they cannot ignore a court summons - and when they are questioned about how well they handled their job (read: not very well), well, people will start to lose their jobs. Once it starts involving enough pleebs or a few high level positions it will start to change.... slowly. If Jsatsu Taro kun sitting at the reception desk half asleep recalls how his friend lost his job, or bonus, or whatever because he ignored a crime report then maybe he'll think twice before doing the same.
Unless your Debito(.org), you prolly wont change much outside your personal circle - but if we all do the Japanese way in this case it definitely will NOT change. If your circle includes some japanese people, maybe they can learn from your efforts to get justice. maybe then, when they have some guys hand in their panties on the train next time they will actually do something about it.
It's too easy to give up and say XXXX is terrible, or YYYY doesnt happen at all in ZZZZ country. It's typical phase 2 behaviour (6mo-2years resident in completely different culture country). Some take longer to get out of it I guess. Regardless, venting here is a good step in the right direction. Communication is how word spreads, which is how shit gets solved (eventually? I hope so!).
Monkey Business
Talk about getting away with criminal behavior. Look at that ape Saruhashi. That piece of shit stole money from so many people over the years, so should STILL be doing a very long stretch because of his 'hand in the cookie jar' shenanigans. Gingernet my ass! Shared rent and expenses, health insurance my butt! Lessons anywhere anytime my ass!! The pilfering primate! That stealing simian! He should have been locked up in a cage LIKE THE MONKEY THAT HE IS! Call that justice?? Surrounded by tall women and yes-men; yeah right! He should be surrounded by fellow inmates, and forced to teach Japanese to gaijin prisoners: the same lame-ass lessons OVER and OVER and OVER again!!!
"He should be surrounded by
"He should be surrounded by fellow inmates, and forced to teach Japanese to gaijin prisoners"
I lol'ed =)
nice one.
No need to go that far
Actually, I quite like the image of him living in some tiny one-room apartment somewhere in Osaka, living off cup noodles, crippled by legal bills, unemployable because no one would ever give a job to a useless middle-aged prick like that and forced to live with the fact that it's all his own stupid fault.
Anyone know what happened to
Anyone know what happened to old Anders Bumfist in all of this? Last I heard, he was touting for private lessons for Y2,500 an hour on "Find a Teacher", or something like that. Bit surprising, what with all the money he's likely to have stuck away from Nova. Having said that, he'll be so used to talking to retards day in, day out, it'd suit him down to the ground.
Very nice images. Reality is,
Very nice images. Reality is, however, in the unlikely event that he did go flat broke, he would mooch off his family and former connections from there on in, reminding them of all the good times he'd given them in the past.
Prior to that, however, a bit of hard time in clink is the best that can be hoped for.
The Conclusion IS Avoid Eikaiwa
It is good to see that sensible debate and discussion has finally returned to Let’s Japan.
The over-all theme that has emerged is one that I concur with, and that is that Eikaiwa is bottom of the barrel work, and is best avoided from the outset.
Some even argue that working in Japan should be avoided outright, which is an interesting reflection on the depths of the dark side of working for Eikaiwa.
In summary, while there is some fun to be had, living and working in a different land, it is clear that Eikaiwa and associated businesses are thoroughly scurrilous in nature and should be avoided, and that Japan itself has a sinister side that can often be buried by the novelty of a new experience.
Yep. "Japan itself has a
Yep.
"Japan itself has a sinister side that can often be buried by the novelty of a new experience."
And that is why most nubs give up and run home in phase 2 (1-2 year mark).
Your summary is pretty accurate.
Rosy spectacles
I concur, good to see the troll has finally died a death and we can get back to interesting, purposeful debate.
There's a big difference between the 1-2 year "rosy spectacled" view of Japan, with its "wonders of the Orient", and the longer-term reality of, as described above, cultural dissimilation and discrimination.
Eikaiwa is, by and large, a racket, run by scoundrels who exploit the rosy-spectacled view that people have of Japan. If you are going to do the eikaiwa thing, make sure you've got plenty of cash to back you up if and when you get into trouble, and a ticket home as well.
Rose Tinted Glasses
Seeing Japan through rose tinted glasses, is a facet of the newbie, that the Eikaiwa Vulture gorges itself on, until it ends up with explosive bowel problems. But what's new? The fact is, the last person a newbie, with rose tinted glasses super-glued to the bridge of his/her nose, is going to listen to, is a burned out old Eikaiwa hack, now super troll, such as yourself.
Eikaiwa knows this, and banks on it, but these days, well, the stagnant Japanese economy (resulting in Eikaiwa wages showing no change to negative growth (when pay versus hours are analysed) for the last 20 plus years, VERSUS, explosive increases in living costs outside Japan HAS resulted in it being more so than ever, an unattractive hand to mouth experience.
So, the endless supply of teachers, coming in, to serve their native tongue language slobber-lops to the willing, is now being tested, all against a back-drop of diminishing demand. In other words, it is finally dieing a natural death anyway............as it should.
Nuff said.
Super troll
Still projecting this "super troll" stuff onto other board members.
You're a confused man. I guess it was too much to hope for that you'd finally gone for good.....
"native tongue language
"native tongue language slobber-lops"
Heh! =)
3/11 did a number on every industry over here, including eikaiwa. In IT I saw a huge drop in the number of applicants for positions I was interviewing for and it's still remained quite low. But the thing is, those young fresh off the boat youts keep coming over in sufficient quantities to allow the larger schools to continue to pay sub-par salaries. Why do the young ones keep coming? They arent experienced enough to understand the shoddy nature of working at an eikaiwa? Perhaps they are coming for the experience it's self... more likely tho it's still - and has/always will be - about the poon. The professionals tho... only the hard core Jvets are sticking it out... and even among those, i've seen a good number leave for good already. It's getting harder to find skilled bilingual network admins these days =P
Forget Japan
You fail to take note of the explosion of the industry in China, with dozens of dodgy dealers opening up daily, ready to bum-rape unwitting newbies craving the "Oriental experience".
Forget Japan - it's finished. China is the new beast.
Leave him
Take no notice of him. The guy's seriously fucked in the head, and thinks that everyone on here is a "super troll" stalking him.
Frightening to say the least.
Yeah Yeah Yeah
Like I said, nuff said.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Y73sPHKxw
Ummm.....
Ummmm......whatever rings your bell. Good work. Anything else?
Congratulations!
Look, Coburg finally got a training position:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kfkEg4iqHM
Congratulations!
Oh yes trolly!
We're coming to get ya trolly, we're coming!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJACFMc-Rb4
Mad Person
Ughh? What? I think the lesson to be learned from the video I posted (relevant it was, too) is to avoid trainer positions, and aim for Director of Studies (with the British Council, for example).
That is of course, if you must take the Eikaiwa Journey to begin with.
Anyway, that's it from me. I am all trolled out. You win Super Troll. You have finally become too boring, even for me.
I have porridge to dish out (more so than ever, in recent times), so while I would LUV to keep you entertained, and to continue giving you meaning and purpose in life, I am afraid, duty calls.
Good-bye, forever ~~~~~~~!!!!!!
Pfft!
"avoid trainer positions, and
"avoid trainer positions, and aim for Director of Studies (with the British Council, for example)."
Sanitary Engineer?? Or is it just a flowery form of saying Garbage Man...
Enjyo Kosai? Or is it a flowery form of saying child prostitute.
YOU DECIDE! =)
Go away
Cheers trolly, nice knowing ya. See ya again soon no doubt.
Hey trolly, while you're feeding those Africans porridge, can you, like, get your head in the path of one of the bullets, and get your brains blown out?
Go on, you know you want to!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tthDLts7GWo
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