More on Biofuels

More on the biogasoline as the English-language press picks up the story:

The Environment Ministry and the Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries Ministry are pressing forward with the introduction of bioethanol saying that it helps prevent global warming because corn and sugar cane from which it is made absorb carbon dioxide.

Uhhh....but don't we end up burning the stuff anyway? And what about consumers who are quick to jump on the environment bandwagon like this guy?

The environment friendlier the fuel is, the better it is. I'd choose biogasoline even if it were several yen more expensive than ordinary gasoline per liter," a customer who bought the new fuel said.

So he's willing to pay more for peace of mind. I'm not polluting therefore I can drive more! It's odd that people will happily part with their money for environmentally-friendly biofuel, but get hot and bothered when the price of regular gasoline goes up.

The biogasoline that was put on sale is composed of regular gasoline and ETBE, a mixture of bioethanol and liquefied petroleum gas, and is sold at the same price as regular gasoline. The extra cost of producing biogasoline -- about 10 yen per liter -- is footed equally by the national government and the oil industry.

So that's it. The real price is hidden. I wonder if motorists would be happy if the price of biofuel were 10 yen more than regular gasoline?

As I said before, technologies like biofuel are great, but stories like this only reinforce the delusion that technology can fix things and that we don't have to make any tough decisions about our lifestyles and the environment.

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I think peak oil is even

I think peak oil is even more of a concern than the environment

www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net

Thanks for the link. I think

Thanks for the link. I think I've read that site before. I see peak oil and the environment as being intertwined. Our burning of fossil fuels has changed the climate. We've pumped a lot of greenhouses gases into the atmosphere when you consider that the great oil fields of the world, such as Ghawar and Burgan, were discovered in the early 20th century and are now close to or psat their production peaks. In the span of 60 years we've managed to burn up the world's oil supply.

Another thing to consider is what effect oil depletion will have on the environment. If oil becomes too expensive, we'll likely switch to coal and natural gas and use them up before looking for another source of energy as noted in this BBC story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6505127.stm.

If you haven't already seen these sites, they're worth bookmarking:

http://www.theoildrum.com/ Highly technical but it's written by people who are in the know.
http://www.energybulletin.net/ A clearing house for peak oil and stories on the environment.

Shawn

I do the rounds of the peak

I do the rounds of the peak oil sites frequently.

I am often amazed that the issue is not discussed more on expat sites like this, because peak oil basically heralds the end of the expatriate dream. Affordable flying will be finished, and the deserts will be littered with disused planes.

I am often amazed that the

I am often amazed that the issue is not discussed more on expat sites like this, because peak oil basically heralds the end of the expatriate dream.

For starters, this "expat site" is about Japan, so peak oil discussions aren't particularly relevant unless they're somehow related to Japan, which the original post clearly is.

I do the rounds of the peak oil sites frequently.

Second, and more important, is the begged question: "And just who are you?"
I'll always be highly suspect of someone posting anything under color of anonymity. While I'm listed by a handle, the owners of the site know who (and where) I am and I've explained and described my background and experience to fellow posters. In short, they know me and they know whether I'm speaking with authority or talking out of a certain part of my anatomy.
In your case, however, neither is clear, and I needn't waste time arguing cogently with someone 1) who may just be winding me up or 2) who's likely to vanish should I make a few coherent points in opposition.

Login, gain the trust of the posters here, and then we'll talk.

Or at least that's my view...

That's what's great about getting involved with a foreigner. You can't take it personally. What's really terrific is that when we act in ways which might objectively...seem assholish, or incredibly annoying, they don't get upset at all. They just assume it's some national characteristic. -Barcelona

That's what's great about getting involved with a foreigner. You can't take it personally. What's really terrific is that when we act in ways which might objectively...seem assholish, or incredibly annoying, they don't get upset at all. They just assum

I do not like the hostile

I do not like the hostile tone of your post. My posts were not argumentative in nature, they were congenial.

And also it's a good point you raise: "For starters, this "expat site" is about Japan, so peak oil discussions aren't particularly relevant unless they're somehow related to Japan, which the original post clearly is."

Japan imports 98% of it's oil... I'd say oil depletion is pretty relevant to Japan.

Crisis = Profit

Biofuels are paraded around as a solution. The problem is the solution is being driven by "big corn" - the highly-subsidized corn industry in the states which has global economic impact. At the end of the day corn is not going to make a spitwad of difference to energy requirements because overall consumption is huge and the energy conversion rates for corn are pretty low. The US could plant the entire nation with corn for use solely as bioethanol, and it only gives enough to cover a few percent of total consumption. Even if you starve the nation you still can't fix the problem. There are other options such as cane or switchgrass which have much higher ratios of power conversion, but the technology to convert switchgrass is not yet at a level to consider for production. The other great answers to oil being paraded around as an alternative energy option are natural gas and coal. Face it, the energy business is driving this and the goal for any business is to make as much money as possible. There will not be a cost-effective solution, because there is so much more money to be made with a driving crises through over-demand. Peak oil is just another way to create profit through crisis (whether it is real or imagined - it does not matter to big energy as long as there is crisis). Oh who cares. I just wanted to scream.

>I do not like the hostile

>I do not like the hostile tone of your post.

Far from projecting hostility, I've expressed the utmost regard for civility. Manners or decorum require that parties wishing to engage in a discussion at the bare minimum identify themselves beforehand.

Imagine going to a dinner party. You're talking with some friends and a fellow (or gal, as you prefer) walks up and joins the conversation. Only he's wearing a mask. And regardless of what the fellow says, salient or not, when you inquire as to his identity he evades the question and continues to don the mask.

Ah, you say, "but you're posting under an alias." Well, no, I'm posting under a handle, which is more akin to a funny hat. Everyone else at the party is also wearing very distinctive headgear, so while we're not au naturel we are individually identifiable.

And with that I'll end my exchange with you, Anonymous. Pick a name and login - it's simple courtesy.

That's what's great about getting involved with a foreigner. You can't take it personally. What's really terrific is that when we act in ways which might objectively...seem assholish, or incredibly annoying, they don't get upset at all. They just assum

Hmm, burning food for

Hmm, burning food for energy, that makes sense, not, but anyway, let’s see how it goes.

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