CAVEMAN wrote:There are NO female BOKUSHI.
My point exactly.
CAVEMAN wrote:What do you do for a living?
I run a small English school plus I am a real church pastor.
Wage Slave wrote:The last sentence is just a gratuitous insult but Caveman makes a good point here. I have great difficulty in regarding the bible believing non denominational churches as proper churches. Even churches that call themselves, say, Baptist have nothing to do with the established church and are not subject to any overview, regulation or quality assurance. Baptist just means we believe in dunking people much of the time.
CAVEMAN wrote:Which church is the "established church"? In England it's the Anglican Church. In Scandinavia it's the Evangelical Lutheran. In some countries it's the Catholic Church. In Russia it's the Orthodox Church, Moscow Patriarchy.
CAVEMAN wrote:Are you aware of the recent demise of TBN, a wedding company that owes unpaid salaries to over 100 BOKUSHI and 600 musicians? That should be grist for your mill. I know all about the scandal, bankruptcy and deviousness of THAT particular business.
sampler wrote:CAVEMAN wrote:Are you aware of the recent demise of TBN, a wedding company that owes unpaid salaries to over 100 BOKUSHI and 600 musicians? That should be grist for your mill. I know all about the scandal, bankruptcy and deviousness of THAT particular business.
I was personally aware of their operations which by their own admission wandered into 'grey areas' regarding the law. I also noticed that the River City Church (who provided lots of pastors) distanced themselves from the company half a year ago. So what brought TBN down?
CAVEMAN wrote:You won't get far denigrating the wedding business with this information. Nobody cares except you and the shafted former employees.
parallel universe wrote:CAVEMAN wrote:You won't get far denigrating the wedding business with this information. Nobody cares except you and the shafted former employees.
Caveman, I like the way you think. On this thread and elsewhere (Iijima Ai thread) your posts are always a pleasure to read (serious-- not being sarcastic).
What do you know about this outfit, is it affiliated in any way with the TBN you mentioned? It's a matchmaking/ o-miai service in Japan under the TBN name. Investigate and report, please. From their web site it looks like it costs the lucky gaijin about U.S. $3800.00 to secure his bride. Male member maximum age limit: 50. Female member age limit: 35. Japan, again you haven't let me down or disappointed me!
parallel universe wrote:http://www.tbnet.co.jp/english/shiori.htm
Actually, going by the text on that site, it seems to only deal in doling out Japanese partners.CAVEMAN wrote:Basically the OMIAI service (TIME...) sells slim young Asian women with no prospects (other than Iijima Ai type activity - ha-ha) to guys with the money to pay. These Japanese salarymen, farmers and other socially inept odd-balls, usually lacking in savoire-faire and charm, then have to supply the girl's family with appliances and cash handouts for years to come. I'm in the Tokyo area but I hear that Aomori farmers often buy up these women, since normal Japanese girls want nothing to do with being farmers' wives in cold damp boondocks.
skeezy website wrote:his systems are mainly designed for Japanese people.
There are not so many Japanese members who can speak English.
So, some Japanese abilities are required if you want to be our members.
gaijinalways wrote:This is an interesting thread. I like the idea of this job, but am wondering how difficult this position is to get in the current economy. The way caveman makes it out, there are jobs waiting to be found, you just need to make the effort to try and get an interview at a local wedding place.
One question my wife was asking, do you have to work every weekend (doesn't sound like it if you only have 5 in February)? Can you sometimes turn down work at certain times of the year (for example, my wife and I often go away in the summer for 4-5 weeks in late July to early August)?
PM me if you want more information.
here are few weddings in August, although I did 9 last year, which is rather unusual, so you can still take a trip abroad and "like, do Asia, man".
gaijinalways wrote:caveman postedPM me if you want more information.
Thanks Caveman, I may take you up on the offer and PM you for more details.
caveman postedhere are few weddings in August, although I did 9 last year, which is rather unusual, so you can still take a trip abroad and "like, do Asia, man".
Actually we usually go to Europe, sometimes America, during the summer as we both find the lower humidity and generally lower temperatures is a major plus. Besides, my wife has a major travel bug, so staying home during the school vacation is not her thing.
We do travel in Asia, but that is usually during other seasons. I think my passport is getting tired of getting 'punched' by all those immigration stamps .
A very big consideration is how large the company you end up working for is. If you are able to land a job working with a particular chapel, it might prove to be very lucrative as you could be doing every wedding on their books, but in return, they would need you to be available 52 weeks a year. If not you, then who?gaijinalways wrote:One question my wife was asking, do you have to work every weekend (doesn't sound like it if you only have 5 in February)? Can you sometimes turn down work at certain times of the year (for example, my wife and I often go away in the summer for 4-5 weeks in late July to early August)?
Billy Smolesworthy wrote:My advice, just go for it and see how little or much your travel plans affect your employability. No point in letting this concern stop you from trying this very rewarding work.
CAVEMAN wrote:Well, I guess "GAIJINALWAYS" turned out to be just blowing smoke. No more posts from him. I guess his trust fund is SO BIG that he don't need no weekend gravy! What a poseur, "travelling the world, man, and, like, chillin' out, man!"!
Or, you could listen to working celebrants like myself, who can state categorically that this point is just one of the many issues that exists only in sampler's outraged moral universe. They also probably have the expectation that you teach with a Bachelor's or Master's degree in TESOL or TEFL. You perform a role; whether you do it wholeheartedly or not is up to you, but a sincere approach will take you far in teaching and much further in the wedding industry.sampler wrote:For the Non-Christian contemplating employment as a celebrant
1) Be fully aware that many clients expect you to be a real, bona fide Christian minister, regardless of what the hiring agency will say.
Yes this is a great moral chasm that you will have to traverse, but once you have passed through this dark night of the soulmake sure you remember that they're paying you over a hundred dollars - you should be willing to go to the trouble of shining your shoes each weekend.2) You must, in your own conscience, be able to traverse this moral issue. It is not uncommon for celebrants to feel a sense of guilt at first, and rightly so. Sadly, humans have the ability to get accustomed to a second nature after repeatedly breaching their own moral code.
This is a great example of sampler's mindset. Athisem is not a 'belief system' but the absence of one. If you are not religious, but you'd like to be involved in helping a couple and their families celebrate their wedding in an ostensibly religious environment, go for it. It's lucrative and emotionally rewarding for the celebrant.3) If you are an atheist then you are compromising your own belief system by lending credibility to the invocation of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
So what? We should concentrate all our efforts on our eikaiwa careers? This is a fallacious 'straw man' argument. Not one single celebrant on this forum would suggest for a moment that this is a career. Sampler could just as easily use this as an argument against accepting voice work for TV or radio advertising. For a part time job though, marriage celebrancy is a fun way to make a lot of money.4) Know that this job is not a career, and has few opportunities for promotion/career development.
So what sampler? Then it will be less appealing to gaijin. You make it sound that once committed to doing wedding work, they will somehow be trapped in a downward spiral. Or...maybe they can make hay while the sun shines.5) Renumeration is likely to fall, not only because of the economic situation but also due to changing trends in the wedding industry such as 'at home' style events and ceremonies conducted abroad.
And this, sampler believes, is an argument against being paid 10,000 or so an hour. Also, before sampler mentions it, skills honed through this work may have little standing in your election to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, your golf handicap or your Erdős–Bacon number.6) Skills honed through this work may have little application in other fields of employment.
This sentence is so thick with your moral judgements sampler. Your personal declaration on what constitutes wise and moral not withstanding, any employer that values initiative and creativity would be wowed by some of the war stories an ex-celebrant could bring to a future job interview.7) After working as a 'Wedding Priest', any future employer would be wise to question your involvement in an industry which is morally questionable.
Nobody cares about your objections, because nobody but you cares that it's not 'really' Christian in anything but style. This has been the theme of my response to you.Appreciate the Japanese tendency to view religion as serving people’s convenience. Religious syncretism is rife in Japan and religious form is easily absorbed without the substance
Not to mention the hundred times they did it before the wedding day.As the matter of legal marriage in Japan is a wholly civil matter; it is quite possible that the participants are actually married a degree of time after their wedding celebration. After receiving blessings from the pastor, the couple's consummation may actually constitute fornication.
Or, you could listen to working celebrants like myself, who can state categorically that this point is just one of the many issues that exists only in sampler's outraged moral universe.
..once you have passed through this dark night of the soul make sure you remember that they're paying you over a hundred dollars -
Athisem is not a 'belief system' but the absence of one.
You make it sound that once committed to doing wedding work, they will somehow be trapped in a downward spiral. Or...maybe they can make hay while the sun shines.
The skills you must rely on and develop include public speaking, flexibilty, problem solving under stress, conversational and teinei Japanese, etc.
Your personal declaration on what constitutes wise and moral not withstanding,
This sentence is so thick with your moral judgements sampler.
Sampler, I have argued with you in this thread that it is only the form that is important at this ceremonies, not the substance. Now you want to have it both ways by saying that we should..
sampler wrote:Really? A 100 bucks? What a pittance in comparison to doing the right thing. Take a look in that Bible; it says “What does it profit a man to gain the whole world yet forfeit his soul?”
This is why it's so tiresome responding to you. I figured that the language of my comment would hint at the sarcasm. I mean, come on! 'great moral chasm ...to traverse', 'this dark night of the soul'. You are so earnest that you assume everyone is as all wrought up as you are - when in fact, you are having your own private conversation/crusade. You LOVE being a 'voice in the wilderness'. The evils of the metric system, the young earth, whatever - we all need a hobby. And you railing at fornicators keeps you out of the Area 51 Conspiracy chat rooms I suppose.It's quite sad really. Read your post again, you acknowledge that a moral leap (downwards) has to be made but that a sincere approach will take you far. It doesn't add up Billy. Maybe you will reply saying that I missed your tone and meaning but it doesn't change the fact that many fake priests do have to make this moral transition.
Damn! I hate being so predictable. So let them make this moral transition if they feel there is one. Or not, if not.Maybe you will reply saying that I missed your tone and meaning but it doesn't change the fact that many fake priests do have to make this moral transition.
Thus sayeth the Lord. You are making less and less sense now. List the economic objections to making lots of money on the weekend, and you sound innocent and adorable, but this nonsense makes me wonder if you've had your locusts and honey this morning.This hand-to-mouth short termism is the downfall of many. Why not spend your weekends developing real skills that will take you way beyond the season and put you in good stead for the future. It is regrettable not to see the signs and fail to observe the changing markets and trends.
Now you're just being a dick.Delivering the same scripted speech ad nauseum or some variation of the theme does not equate the art of public speaking. Flexibility and problem solving under stress? --- no more than any other functional adult in the modern world. Conversational and teinei Japanese? We live in Japan. We develop these skills without ever having to don a robe. It’s as natural as breathing. No one living here has to become a celebrant to flag this up as a skill.
Think of half a dozen old school mates, people from your hometown who you haven’t seen in twenty years. Picture yourself telling them that you dress up as a Priest and perform mock Christian weddings and then watch their reaction. Of course, … they may be too polite to give away their true impression… Tatemae is not confined to Japan alone.
Yeah, that Caveman was a real gem wasn't he? And as you are willing to use him as an example of wedding celebrants, I'll use him as an example of Eikaiwa teachers, which reflects poorly on you, I must say.And what are these 'war stories'? More than a hint of melodrama there I suppose. Perhaps the readers of LJ would like to be wowed by them, fire away, we're all ears. CAVEMAN had a few, most involved copious amounts of alcohol and breath mints IIRC.
Yeah. Guilty.didn't you promise not to 'argue with sampler'?
BillySmolesworthy wrote:This is why it's so tiresome responding to you.
BillySmolesworthy wrote:--- - when in fact, you are having your own private conversation/crusade.
BillySmolesworthy wrote:And you railing at fornicators..
BillySmolesworthy wrote:So let them make this moral transition if they feel there is one. Or not, if not.
BillySmolesworthy wrote:Now you're just being a dick.... you are an arrogant dick.
BillySmolesworthy wrote:You don't have a clue about the demands of being a wedding celebrant. Not a clue.
BillySmolesworthy wrote:Now picture yourself among your old school friends, who are trying to catch up over a few beers, while you keep climbing onto the furniture to exhort them to flee from the evils of fornication and Eikaiwa Christmas parties that aren't Christ centered.
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