
Ziggy wrote:Japandy wrote: I'm walking out if they don't pay me. If they delay it again then surely it's all over is it not?
Step down right away as A.T.


fart-ass wrote:What position exactly does Lord Flemmingtonsterson the Third actually perform for the company. I never heard of him until those wierd memos started coming around. Is his first name really 'Lord'? Who names their kid 'Lord'?...
"Lord,... Lord honey, ... time for dinner,".
Does Lord Percy know him? You guys must meet at some annual Lordly Meeting of Lordly Lords, no? (I'm not suggesting Lord Percy is anevil Lord, like Lord Flemmingchershire!)
Who the fuck is Our Lord Flemmington Steele?!

soontobeexAT wrote:I finally got through to my RAAM. He said that they arent telling him anything thats happening. He said that the pay might be staggered so some people at 12pm and others at 3pm, but he said that was just a a guess. He said that there's no word about the meeting or announcement. He told me that it was a good thing for me to toppatsu today. You know its a bad sign when that happens. This really doesnt look good.

Yamamba wrote:OK boys and girls, here's the 12 o'clock ATM update:
NOTHING
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Cornwalis the Unholy wrote:So to summarize:
1) Don’t quit or resign while you are looking for a new position. If don’t feel like coming in any more, simply call in, or not come in at all. Once you do have something lined up, quit. Either be fired (for not showing up) or wait till the company tanks (if it does)
2) Don’t do anything which might hurt you (now or later) or others still working.
3) Try and keep positive, support each other, and look to the “happier” times you had while working (like that one time that really cute girl came with that really short dress and …)
4) Remember even though you may be quitting, there will still be people sticking it out, don’t feel resentment towards them – and the same goes for those sticking it out, don’t feel resentment for those who do quit. BE supportive, this is a hard emotional time for everyone involved.


novawhiz wrote:Cornwalis the Unholy wrote:So to summarize:
1) Don’t quit or resign while you are looking for a new position. If don’t feel like coming in any more, simply call in, or not come in at all. Once you do have something lined up, quit. Either be fired (for not showing up) or wait till the company tanks (if it does)
2) Don’t do anything which might hurt you (now or later) or others still working.
3) Try and keep positive, support each other, and look to the “happier” times you had while working (like that one time that really cute girl came with that really short dress and …)
4) Remember even though you may be quitting, there will still be people sticking it out, don’t feel resentment towards them – and the same goes for those sticking it out, don’t feel resentment for those who do quit. BE supportive, this is a hard emotional time for everyone involved.
long post, but my solemn suggestion is to *bring the company down*. The faster it closes it's doors the faster you can receive unemployment. Nova's bad, there's no discussion about it....it's bad to the teachers and bad to the students...the best way out of the 'catch-22' is the take out the company that's causing pain.... get it over with, and move on.

Cornwalis the Unholy wrote:The biggest stressor in all of this is not the company actually going under, but rather the uncertainty and unknown.
It would be far better to know for certain the company was going to fail, your job were lost, then to be sitting in limbo.
"But the signs are out there and the company is dead" everyone keeps saying. The signs may be out there, but there is always the remote possibility (however unfathomably small) that something positive does happen - but until something official comes, in the form of a financial announcement, it is merely speculation on everyone's part. And until that announcement comes, no one will receive unemployment and maybe no one will be paid.
Those who leave now, psychologically speaking, have a lower tolerance for the stress of uncertainty then those who are sticking it out. In other words, the certainty of "not having a job" (while being a very strong stressor, is actually a lot less then the "uncertainty" of possibly having or possibly not having a job.
Look at it this way, NOVA may do some drastic restructuring, laying off a bunch of instructors and closing down a bunch of branches - those who are lucky enough not to get laid off, may be in a prime position within the company for possible growth in the future, while those who leave or who are fired are in a great position to find other jobs as their work experience in the industry has given them excellent opportunities.
Either way, please try and keep positive about this. If you are having a hard time, please - I urge you to speak with people, friends, co-workers, relatives. We do not need more tragedies in an already unpleasant situation.

Cornwalis the Unholy wrote:"But the signs are out there and the company is dead" everyone keeps saying. The signs may be out there, but there is always the remote possibility (however unfathomably small) that something positive does happen - but until something official comes, in the form of a financial announcement, it is merely speculation on everyone's part.
Cornwalis the Unholy wrote:Those who leave now, psychologically speaking, have a lower tolerance for the stress of uncertainty then those who are sticking it out.

YeahYeahYeah wrote:Sorry Mr. Cornwallis but your arguments are so balanced that they negate each other and raise no new or valid points. You sound like a BT or AAM.

Cornwalis the Unholy wrote:Additionally, even if NOVA were to get a large financial injection, it would still be months before this financial effect were truly realized.
novawhiz wrote:Unless there is a huge injection of cash, and soon, the company is dead meat. Forget 'signs'..there's bona fide evidence the company can't operate it's core services, can't reach out to any lender, and is coring out what assets remain (if any).


oyabaka wrote:I agree. That's why they should get out now.

oyabaka wrote:Cornwalis the Unholy wrote:Additionally, even if NOVA were to get a large financial injection, it would still be months before this financial effect were truly realized.
You maybe right about a large financial injection. However, they said that just before my company (Bi-Lingual), ASA (it's on another thread), and NCB (in the Japan Times article) went bankrupt.novawhiz wrote:Unless there is a huge injection of cash, and soon, the company is dead meat. Forget 'signs'..there's bona fide evidence the company can't operate it's core services, can't reach out to any lender, and is coring out what assets remain (if any).
I agree. That's why they should get out now.

novawhiz wrote:Cornwalis the Unholy wrote:"But the signs are out there and the company is dead" everyone keeps saying. The signs may be out there, but there is always the remote possibility (however unfathomably small) that something positive does happen - but until something official comes, in the form of a financial announcement, it is merely speculation on everyone's part.
Unless there is a huge injection of cash, and soon, the company is dead meat. Forget 'signs'..there's bona fide evidence the company can't operate it's core services, can't reach out to any lender, and is coring out what assets remain (if any).Cornwalis the Unholy wrote:Those who leave now, psychologically speaking, have a lower tolerance for the stress of uncertainty then those who are sticking it out.
Rather odd opinion..... I'd say they were perceptive enough to act quickly and decisively instead of waffling in the uncertainty of vague reassurance of a 'light at the end of the tunnel' from saruhashi.


Cornwalis the Unholy wrote:oyabaka wrote:I agree. That's why they should get out now.
Just don't "resign" until you have something else lined up. Stop coming in, but don't actually turn in that resignation (for your benefit).
They are looking for people to resign, so their overhead for payroll is reduced, and they can show a net positive accounting sheet (income from loans given to students still paying for points vs overhead cost of operation including rent and staff salaries). By staying on with the company as long as possible you hinder that from happening (and for those who are trying to "bring the company down" - this is a good way to help with that without hurting yourself or others).

Cornwalis the Unholy wrote:There is a lot of research in the IO psych community concerning worker motivation, in this instance, pertaining to turnover.
One of the many theories behind worker turnover relates to need fulfillment, one need being a sense of job security. Psychologically speaking, those with higher tolerances for uncertainty will have a much lower response to fluctuations in "job security" issues, and on the converse, those with lower tolerances for uncertainty will have a much higher response to "job security" issues.
There are MANY other factors involved and ways to look at this - if we take a NLP (nuero linguistic programming) approach, we can say that those who left see the benefits of leaving and being certain (e.g. decisive in their action weather then waiting around - your phrase) about their future, presents a better benefit and less risk then sticking it out.
The problem with psychology (all disciplines, not just IO - Industrial/Organizational) is that there are many differing theories and explanations all which tend to give plausible and testable reasons for behaviors.
We could even look at this through a behaviorist model and say that those who are staying on are conditioned to remain in a situation rather then leave, while those who leave have been conditioned to first seek "certainty" rather then stick with an "unknown".

mandangaman wrote:Cornwalis the Unholy wrote:There is a lot of research in the IO psych community concerning worker motivation, in this instance, pertaining to turnover.
One of the many theories behind worker turnover relates to need fulfillment, one need being a sense of job security. Psychologically speaking, those with higher tolerances for uncertainty will have a much lower response to fluctuations in "job security" issues, and on the converse, those with lower tolerances for uncertainty will have a much higher response to "job security" issues.
There are MANY other factors involved and ways to look at this - if we take a NLP (nuero linguistic programming) approach, we can say that those who left see the benefits of leaving and being certain (e.g. decisive in their action weather then waiting around - your phrase) about their future, presents a better benefit and less risk then sticking it out.
The problem with psychology (all disciplines, not just IO - Industrial/Organizational) is that there are many differing theories and explanations all which tend to give plausible and testable reasons for behaviors.
We could even look at this through a behaviorist model and say that those who are staying on are conditioned to remain in a situation rather then leave, while those who leave have been conditioned to first seek "certainty" rather then stick with an "unknown".
Cut the psychobabble. One sure way to reduce motivation of staff is by not paying them, despite several promises to do so.
You're real name isn't Monkeybridge by any chance?

novawhiz wrote:
this part I agree with, I'd say toppatsu every other day, call in sick, you know what to do.... call in sick two days, work the 3rd, call in sick again for 2 day, work the 3rd day, etc until you can figure out what to do
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