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Six signs that your new job could be lousy

Unread post by Mogura » Wed Mar 05, 2008 5:25 pm

Kudos to Bakanova for posting the Six signs your new job is lousy article in this thread. The responses (up to 38 additional warning signs thus far) have been informative and oftentimes humorous.

Of course, what good is it to find out that your job is lousy after you have already accepted the job offer or entering the company? Wouldn't it be nice to know that a potential job is lousy before making any committments on your part? Think of all of future headaches you would save yourself. Hence, the title of this thread:

Six signs that your new job could be lousy

I am sure that by collaborating as a group we could come up with more than six warning signs. But since the original article had such a catchy title, I decided engage in shameful plagiarism. Aside from my moral challenges, on with the warning signs...

Here are six true-life signs that you shouldn't pursue that new job.

1. Rather than attending an interview in a private setting where you are to discuss your qualifications and experience with the hiring manager, you find yourself thrust into a real-life game of Survivor as you are forced to compete with fellow job applicants in elimination-type group interviews. (This happened to me when I did an interview with Bloomberg.)

2. The interviewer, who also happens to be your future report-line manager exhibits a prominent facial tic throughout the interview. (This happened to me when I did an interview with AXA.)

3. The interviewer, who also happens to be your future report-line manager becomes verbally abusive and yells at you during the interview. (This happened to me when I did an interview with Goldman Sachs.)

4. The interviewer boasts of the company's global presence, multinational workforce and multicultural environment and then complains because you have submitted your CV/resume in English (This happened to me when I did an interview with Mizuho Securities).

5. The interviewer opens up the interview by stating, "You wouldn't like this job... this job isn't suitable for you..." (This happened to me when I did an interview with Morgan Stanley)

6. The interviewer hits on you during the interview. (Actually, I was the interviewer in this case... and it worked!)
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Re: Six signs that your new job could be lousy

Unread post by exUsagiCoalMiner » Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:08 pm

7. The interview isn't even in an office. You meet your prospective employer at a Starbucks. (Granted this was for a freelance job, but still...)

8. You know more about the company and the position than the interviewer does. (Happened to me when I interviewed for a position at Michaels head office.)

9. You work in a great position at a great company with great benefits in the aeronautics industry, then something like 9/11 happens and the industry dries up. Your entire department is liquidated and the company barely limps on with a skeleton crew to this day. (OK, off-topic, but happened to me, and is part of the reason I came to Japan.)
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Re: Six signs that your new job could be lousy

Unread post by Mogura » Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:02 pm

10. The hiring company touts legally required social welfare schemes (e.g., Kosei Nenkin, Kenko Hoken, Koyo Hoken) as benefits--and those are the only "benefits".
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Re: Six signs that your new job could be lousy

Unread post by Rastignac » Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:10 pm

11. You walk into the office for your interview & two Great Danes, sitting in the tiny foyer, run up to you, lick your hands & cover them all over in sticky drool. Once they get bored, they go back to what they were doing before you came in - licking each others nuts. (interview for a customer service job with a shitty little publishing company)

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Re: Six signs that your new job could be lousy

Unread post by Wage Slave » Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:22 pm

12. The ALT despatch company advertises and quotes a monthly salary of ¥250,000. They are a bit vague about what happens during the school vacation periods. You persist in getting a monthly breakdown. It turns out your pay in some months is as low as ¥60,000 and averaged over the year your pay is only about ¥190,000 pm and that assumes a performance/regularity bonus is actually paid.
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Re: Six signs that your new job could be lousy

Unread post by MacGyver » Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:29 am

Mogura wrote: (This happened to me when I did an interview with Goldman Sachs...Mizuho Securities...Morgan Stanley...)
Errr.... There's your mistake right there. Knowing ppl working in these companies, it doesn't surprise me. In fact I may even know the person who interviewed you a GS. Probably not but maybe...
Mogura wrote:6. The interviewer hits on you during the interview. (Actually, I was the interviewer in this case... and it worked!)
Dude [insert shaking head emoticon here]. You're right about one thing. That would be a lousy job.
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Re: Six signs that your new job could be lousy

Unread post by Mogura » Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:51 am

MacGyver wrote:
Mogura wrote: (This happened to me when I did an interview with Goldman Sachs...Mizuho Securities...Morgan Stanley...)
Errr.... There's your mistake right there. Knowing ppl working in these companies, it doesn't surprise me. In fact I may even know the person who interviewed you a GS. Probably not but maybe...
Mogura wrote:6. The interviewer hits on you during the interview. (Actually, I was the interviewer in this case... and it worked!)
Dude [insert shaking head emoticon here]. You're right about one thing. That would be a lousy job.
Fat Indian/Middle Eastern guy? The guy totally lost his cool, and the HR staff that attended the interview ended up profusely apologizing to me for his actions. That was about 3 years ago...
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Re: Six signs that your new job could be lousy

Unread post by MacGyver » Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:18 pm

Mogura wrote:Fat Indian/Middle Eastern guy? The guy totally lost his cool, and the HR staff that attended the interview ended up profusely apologizing to me for his actions. That was about 3 years ago...
You were applying for a job in IT right? *Might* have met that guy,as I may have played cricket against him, but definitely know one of his colleagues at the time (an Aussie bloke), who's since moved onto Lehmann....So why did he lose his cool???
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Re: Six signs that your new job could be lousy

Unread post by Fenrig » Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:48 pm

I like to watch out for any negative statement in advertising/interviews such as:

This job is not a telemarketing job. Read: This job IS a telemarketing job.
This job is not a pyramid scheme. Read: This job IS a pyramid scheme.

This technique also works well when reading news articles... like Bush saying: The economy is NOT in a recession. Or "Chavez Says He Doesn't Seek War
The Associated Press - 53 minutes ago"

Very useful BS filter. Just ignore any "not"s in a sentence. Works for me. 8)

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Re: Six signs that your new job could be lousy

Unread post by Mogura » Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:33 pm

MacGyver wrote:
Mogura wrote:Fat Indian/Middle Eastern guy? The guy totally lost his cool, and the HR staff that attended the interview ended up profusely apologizing to me for his actions. That was about 3 years ago...
You were applying for a job in IT right? *Might* have met that guy,as I may have played cricket against him, but definitely know one of his colleagues at the time (an Aussie bloke), who's since moved onto Lehmann....So why did he lose his cool???
I don't know why he lost his cool. Maybe he was having a bad day? Maybe he was informed of my interview at the last minute? Can't really say. He did try to ask me a couple of inappropriate questions, and the HR staff cut him off saying that I didn't have to answer them. Afterwards he just kind of snapped. This (grown men going postal) is not an unheard of thing in IT departments, but definitely the first time I have seen this happen at an interview. Oh, to answer your question, yes, it was for a job in IT. HR wanted to redo the interview (without him), but I turned them down and the rest is history.

Funny thing is, from time to time, I get contacts from recruiting agents/headhunters looking to fill IT positions at Goldman Sachs. I always tell them to piss off because GS is on my own personal blacklist for the reasons previously stated. They always say something to the effect of "Oh, yeah... We've heard about that guy" in a certain tone of resignation.

And I had thought that once I got out of Eikaiwa this kind of unprofessional bullshit would stop... :doh:
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Re: Six signs that your new job could be lousy

Unread post by MacGyver » Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:40 pm

Mogura wrote:And I had thought that once I got out of Eikaiwa this kind of unprofessional bullshit would stop... :doh:
Financial companies....What can I say? From what I've heard about GS, the money is good and that's it. In fact my impression of all these financial companies, and the people who work for them (IT or otherwise), isn't good. You see, I play cricket with a lot of guys that work in these sorts of companies, IT, traders etc, and if their behaviour at work is anything like their behaviour off the field (and sometimes on it) they are power hungry, spoilt arseholes with little to no people skills. My mate dates a chick who is in HR at GS and she is the only shining light I've seen come out of these places...
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Re: Six signs that your new job could be lousy

Unread post by Tall Tall Tree » Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:11 pm

In retrospect, there were some warning signs that a job I had about a year ago were not going to work out. For one, the majority of the interview was conducted standing outside in the cold November wind while the boss smoked a cigarette. Later, when I told them the hourly rate I had made in an earlier job (honestly… oops), the boss and the other boss looked at each other with wry smiles, then told me they'd start me exactly at that rate.

As usual, hindsight is 20/20.

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Re: Six signs that your new job could be lousy

Unread post by MacGyver » Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:02 pm

Tall Tall Tree wrote:Later, when I told them the hourly rate I had made in an earlier job (honestly… oops), the boss and the other boss looked at each other with wry smiles, then told me they'd start me exactly at that rate.

As usual, hindsight is 20/20.
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Re: Six signs that your new job could be lousy

Unread post by Mogura » Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:51 pm

MacGyver wrote:
Mogura wrote:And I had thought that once I got out of Eikaiwa this kind of unprofessional bullshit would stop... :doh:
Financial companies....What can I say? From what I've heard about GS, the money is good and that's it. In fact my impression of all these financial companies, and the people who work for them (IT or otherwise), isn't good. You see, I play cricket with a lot of guys that work in these sorts of companies, IT, traders etc, and if their behaviour at work is anything like their behaviour off the field (and sometimes on it) they are power hungry, spoilt arseholes with little to no people skills. My mate dates a chick who is in HR at GS and she is the only shining light I've seen come out of these places...
I concur. IT jobs in financial companies tend to be McJobs at best.

And everyone knows that the traders that make the real bucks play golf. The rest are either hacks, wannabes, or glorified salesmen...
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Re: Six signs that your new job could be lousy

Unread post by Mogura » Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:14 pm

13. The interviewing company does not offer to reimburse you for travelling expenses even if you travel more than 100 km to attend the interview. (One company actually reimbursed me for airfare to fly into Tokyo for the interview when I was living in Inakaland. I thought that was pretty big of them and accepted their offer...)
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Re: Six signs that your new job could be lousy

Unread post by Mogura » Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:37 am

14. The company touts Japanese Labor Standards Law prescribed requirements for employers (e.g., 10 days paid holiday, overtime pay, lunch break) as benefits.
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Re: Six signs that your new job could be lousy

Unread post by Lazy Bastard » Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:52 pm

15: When the boss, whilst explaining irately that it is "jyoshiki" to give one months notice before taking paid days off, has to stop to tell the stunned staff that they actually do have paid days off.

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Unread post by Mogura » Wed May 21, 2008 4:47 pm

16. If your regularly scheduled payday falls on a Saturday, Sunday, or national holiday it is the company's policy to pay you after that holiday. (Most legit companies have a policy to pay its employees the day before such holiday.)
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Re: Six signs that your new job could be lousy

Unread post by exUsagiCoalMiner » Wed May 21, 2008 9:29 pm

Fucking 'ell. 16 should also go in the "Life's Little Gripes" thread!
My company does this as well. Thank you for making me wait an additional 2 days for my fucking money!

Actually, I created a polled thread on this in the ekiwa forum (maybe not the right place...). anyway, here's where the thread lives:
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Re: Six signs that your new job could be lousy

Unread post by Wage Slave » Wed May 21, 2008 9:34 pm

17. Your line manager often concludes telephone conversations with a reminder that the content of the call and in fact everything that is ever said to you is confidential and to be kept from the ears of colleagues.
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Re: Six signs that your new job could be lousy

Unread post by bshabu » Sun Jun 29, 2008 10:24 am

18. You had a great interview. The Interviewer said that I "will love to have you work for his school". Later the next day, said that I didn't get the job because his wife didn't like as much as the others.

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Re: Six signs that your new job could be lousy

Unread post by Mogura » Mon Aug 11, 2008 1:29 pm

19. The company lacks a structured training program. Some companies offer "on-the-job" training, which involves nothing more than throwing an employee in the deep end, and seeing whether he/she sinks or swims--this is not training. Structured training is compensated training held soon after commencing employment or on an ongoing basis, during normal working hours in a lecture/discussion and/or a mock situation/trial format.

Legitimate, customer-facing, service-oriented companies recognize the value of training because they want to ensure that the customer experience is standardized and of the highest quality to ensure client satisfaction and to encourage repeat business. Employees that are knowledgable with respect to the product(s) and skillful (i.e., properly trained) in the delivery of said product(s) directly drive this success of a company. As such, a company that invests resources in training is investing in its own growth and success.

The presence or absence of a structured training program separates legitimate companies from the jackasses--irrespective of industry. You should always probe about a company about its training program during your job interview--even if you think you don't need any training...
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