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Re: A certain rabblerouser

Unread post by Mogura » Mon Sep 05, 2011 5:48 pm

Level3 wrote:The big question for me is: When you ship something out of Japan, can you reasonably expect that the record of the shipment will be available with a quick Google search of your name with a few educated guesses?
Scary.
No, that would be a violation of the Personal Information Protection Law (without the customer's authorization or waiver). The shipping company would be up shit creek for making such information (home address, etc.) available...
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Re: A certain rabblerouser

Unread post by Level3 » Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:35 am

SHIT

Um, could Shawn or an admin just delete this whole string from my entry on the recent topic onward? I wasn't thinking some jerk would actually publish the personal info here. Sorry for even bringing this up.
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Re: A certain rabblerouser

Unread post by Shawn » Tue Sep 06, 2011 6:32 am

I never knew that kind of stuff was available on the Web. :omfg: Went over to Tepido to see what was up and I think he's jumped the shark on this one. The "I-have-some-juicy-information-but-won't-say" is pretty childish. I don't see the point of stalking Debito, either. So he sent some books overseas? Who cares? And who cares if he ultimately moves to Canada?

I see that Ken has edited his post, so his idiotic analysis of his server logs is gone.

P.S. On second thought, I shouldn't have deleted Stone's post. The link goes to a site that provides a service for tracking bills of lading. So there, now everyone knows how to Google the information.

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Re: A certain rabblerouser

Unread post by allblacks » Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:50 am

If anyone has a copy of the shipping stuff PM me it. I wonder if theres any name listed in the NOTIFY part. That will be his customs agent in Canada.
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Re: A certain rabblerouser

Unread post by Level3 » Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:59 pm

Shawn wrote:I never knew that kind of stuff was available on the Web. :omfg: Went over to Tepido to see what was up and I think he's jumped the shark on this one. The "I-have-some-juicy-information-but-won't-say" is pretty childish. I don't see the point of stalking Debito, either. So he sent some books overseas? Who cares? And who cares if he ultimately moves to Canada?

I see that Ken has edited his post, so his idiotic analysis of his server logs is gone.

P.S. On second thought, I shouldn't have deleted Stone's post. The link goes to a site that provides a service for tracking bills of lading. So there, now everyone knows how to Google the information.

Thanks Shawn.

Yes, even the tepido fans like me thought that post was crossing the line.
The motivation is that debito has been less than forthcoming about whether he is/was/will be in Japan, and how that has/is/will affect his Quixotic anti-Japan campaign and his credibility if he isn't even living in Japan anymore. (i.e. He wasn't even in Japan during 3/11, yet he pretended to be an expert on the situation, even though it seems he got all his info from foreign media.)
Though to me, his general attitude is the main problem, not his location.

Then there's just the relationship to the general pattern with debito, such as his online C.V. that manages to completely avoid mentioning the fact that he's been teaching English for 2 decades,etc.
It is funnier than Japanese TV at least. :lol:

But to get down to brass tacks, the goal of tepido is to counter debito's claims and his propaganda through evidence, debunking and ridicule. That stalker-like post didn't help the mission at all.

Though for the debito crowd to get outraged about "cyber-stalking" (as opposed to ACTUAL stalking), using the Internet to get info to figure out someone's future plans which will soon be revealed anyway (as opposed to using the net to get info to contact your personal enemies' employers to try and get them fired just because they disagree with you) and revealing personal information but taking it down after rethinking things (as opposed to revealing personal info, tacitly approving your fans harassment of them, and NOT taking it down when those people object) is damned hypocritical.
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But in the end, the fact that the information could be found just by Googling is a bit scary.
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Re: A certain rabblerouser

Unread post by allblacks » Tue Sep 06, 2011 1:34 pm

I dont know whether you can say a Bill of Lading is public record or not. It may or may not be. However, in order to ship something you must have a shipper and consignee. He followed the rules it would seem.

Maybe he has had enough of Japan? Time to go? Who knows. Its probably just him shipping his library as someone else pointed out.
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Re: A certain rabblerouser

Unread post by BergKatse » Tue Sep 06, 2011 1:42 pm

Level3 wrote:his Japanese illiteracy
Debito can't read/write Japanese? Really?! :shock:

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Unread post by allblacks » Tue Sep 06, 2011 2:13 pm

That is an interesting observation. From what I have seen on his website, especially when he confronts someone, his Japanese usage does seem a bit strange. Im not going to go as far as to say his Japanese sucks because I do the same thing at times. Wrong word choice, not knowing some essential verb, and circumlocuting etc etc.
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Re: A certain rabblerouser

Unread post by stone » Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:27 pm

Shawn wrote:...

P.S. On second thought, I shouldn't have deleted Stone's post. The link goes to a site that provides a service for tracking bills of lading. So there, now everyone knows how to Google the information.
I forgive you :)

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Also, as I indicated, there's lots of information out there that is part of public records. Back in the US, many states and counties will allow you to view other people's property tax, marriage and divorce records.

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Re: A certain rabblerouser

Unread post by stone » Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:32 pm

allblacks wrote:If anyone has a copy of the shipping stuff PM me it. I wonder if theres any name listed in the NOTIFY part. That will be his customs agent in Canada.
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Re: A certain rabblerouser

Unread post by allblacks » Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:36 pm

One thing I should point out: That is not really a BL. BLs look different to that. See attached. Source for this was google under "bill of lading example."
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Re: A certain rabblerouser

Unread post by Level3 » Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:09 pm

BergKatse wrote:
Level3 wrote:his Japanese illiteracy
Debito can't read/write Japanese? Really?! :shock:
The assumption is he knows enough Japanese to get the gist (or is just too lazy to bother reading for full comprehension) and then fills in the gaps with his preconceptions, and presents his version as truth to his fans. It also would explain why he doesn't do Japanese on his site. Plus he has pretty much openly admitted that his Japanese level was not very good when he got citizenship,and there are no clear signs it has improved since, even in his most recent posts there's talk he only needed the literacy of a 3rd grader to get citizenship.

At least we hope that's the explanation, because if he is actually fully J literate, then it makes his distortions of Japanese language stories (on the rare occasions he cites them) deliberate, rather than just lazy or full of assumptions and emotional baggage.

Deliberate illiterate?

Sounds like a good album title for a shitty band.
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Re: A certain rabblerouser

Unread post by angryboy » Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:14 pm

I`ve seen him on TV and from memory (it was a looong time ago) he was pretty fluent.
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Re: A certain rabblerouser

Unread post by senseiman » Wed Oct 05, 2011 7:05 pm

Another piece of brilliance from Debito:

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/ ... 004ad.html

Now he has written an article about how bad the word ganbare is. I guess it was inevitable after his groundbreaking piece on the word gaijin.

I think he has transcended the boundary that separates the obnoxious from the boring. He is now both.
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Re: A certain rabblerouser

Unread post by allblacks » Fri Oct 07, 2011 11:22 am

Good point there Senseiman. May I add that the Japan Times needs more professional reporters and less Debito/Chavez types polluting their pages.
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Re: A certain rabblerouser

Unread post by steki47 » Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:07 pm

senseiman wrote:Another piece of brilliance from Debito:

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/ ... 004ad.html

Now he has written an article about how bad the word ganbare is. I guess it was inevitable after his groundbreaking piece on the word gaijin.

I think he has transcended the boundary that separates the obnoxious from the boring. He is now both.
Honestly, the whole "ganbatte" thing is a gripe of mine. It is overused and does not give any specific advice. Telling a student to do better is pretty meaningless. Focused advice on word choice or intonation is far more useful.

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Re: A certain rabblerouser

Unread post by SamhainP8 » Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:38 pm

I agree with his basic point about the word but it was a painfully verbose read.
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Unread post by steki47 » Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:31 pm

Having said that, a slogan/motto is usually a simple phrase in any country. "Land of the Free", "No pain, no gain", etc.

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Or 4)All of the above.
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Unread post by Mogura » Sat Oct 08, 2011 11:48 pm

So, has Debito gone on a "Gambare Nippon" graffiti rampage (to support his assertion), as this slogan is used quite often in Tokyo... :huh:

It would make sense if the phrase were used outside of Japan (i.e., foreign dignitaries, organizations, etc. expressing support to the Japanese people), but I did find it curious that it was used so often among Japanese... in Japan...
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Re: A certain rabblerouser

Unread post by allblacks » Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:03 pm

http://www.debito.org/?p=10017

Oh great! So Debito attacks Keene and says he should "stop making yourself out to be somehow morally superior to NJ"

Sorry but what is it that Debito does all the time on his preachy little site and in his "books." Haha. What a WANKER hypocrite Debito is.
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Re: A certain rabblerouser

Unread post by MacGyver » Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:43 pm

I agreed with his article on immigration though. In a word, Japan is farked.
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Unread post by exUsagiCoalMiner » Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:30 pm

I think it's worse that Debito has nothing better to do than bash on a 90 year old.
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Re: A certain rabblerouser

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allblacks wrote:http://www.debito.org/?p=10017

Oh great! So Debito attacks Keene and says he should "stop making yourself out to be somehow morally superior to NJ"

Sorry but what is it that Debito does all the time on his preachy little site and in his "books." Haha. What a WANKER hypocrite Debito is.
Wow.

To recap, Donald Keene made the following absolutely outrageous statement that is totally racist and anti-non-Japanese on the face of it:

"I came to Japan, where I will always stay. I believe in Japan, is what I wanted to broadcast.”

I know, what an ass hole, right?

So then Debito made the following hilarious, witty and completely fair retort:

"Screw you, Donald."

Zing! I'm certainly glad I am not one Mr. Donald Keene right now. To be bested by such a brilliant intellect must hurt.
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Re: A certain rabblerouser

Unread post by MacGyver » Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:11 pm

I actually agree with Keene on his statement about the flyjin (not that anyone here is suggesting they disagree with it; I was just more interested in what he said rather than what Debito said). Lots of gaijins pulled up their skirts and went running for the hills after the earthquake, tsunami, and nuclear crisis. To be fair, most when the nuclear plant mess became apparent but there were more than a few who fled straight after the earthquake (I know some in that boat).

Here's a discussion I'd like to have: Is someone who has been a Japanese scholar all his life and received distinguished awards from the J govt. entitled to skip residence requirements and get J citizenship just like that? Yes there are probably clauses that allow him to do it--there are for PR-- but that's not my point. Do you think its fair? I must admit I'm torn between the fact that he probably deserves it for all the work he has done on promoting Japan and Japanese culture over the years but at the same time it doesn't seem fair that he can just snap his fingers and get citizenship when the regular Joe has to jump through many, many hoops to get it. There is also the issue of his age. Surely it can't be a good idea to allow an old skid like him to get citizenship and be a drain on the regular taxpayer? To be sure, he probably isn't but really an old bloke like him isn't the type of person Japan should be handing out citizenship to, one-off or otherwise.
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Re: A certain rabblerouser

Unread post by allblacks » Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:35 pm

A while ago that North Korea returnee Jenkins bloke got PR in about 2 weeks. Anyone remember that? Preferential treatment stuff is BULLSHIT but Japans got a history of it. Debito is just a knob. End of story.
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Re: A certain rabblerouser

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MacGyver wrote:I actually agree with Keene on his statement about the flyjin (not that anyone here is suggesting they disagree with it; I was just more interested in what he said rather than what Debito said). Lots of gaijins pulled up their skirts and went running for the hills after the earthquake, tsunami, and nuclear crisis. To be fair, most when the nuclear plant mess became apparent but there were more than a few who fled straight after the earthquake (I know some in that boat).

Here's a discussion I'd like to have: Is someone who has been a Japanese scholar all his life and received distinguished awards from the J govt. entitled to skip residence requirements and get J citizenship just like that? Yes there are probably clauses that allow him to do it--there are for PR-- but that's not my point. Do you think its fair? I must admit I'm torn between the fact that he probably deserves it for all the work he has done on promoting Japan and Japanese culture over the years but at the same time it doesn't seem fair that he can just snap his fingers and get citizenship when the regular Joe has to jump through many, many hoops to get it. There is also the issue of his age. Surely it can't be a good idea to allow an old skid like him to get citizenship and be a drain on the regular taxpayer? To be sure, he probably isn't but really an old bloke like him isn't the type of person Japan should be handing out citizenship to, one-off or otherwise.
Its a good question.

I don't have a problem with Keene getting it so fast per se, but I do have a problem with the highly discretionary way in which it seems to be handed out.

I think of the Philippino couple that were deported a year or two ago for staying in Japan illegally. In principle I don't have a problem with deporting people who are in Japan illegally but in that case there were a lot of extenuating circumstances - they had lived here for decades, stayed out of trouble, were highly regarded by their neighbors and, most important, had a 13 year old daughter born and raised in Japan who had never even been to the Philippines.

If there was ever a case to be made for exercising whatever discretion was available, I think that would have been it. But no, they just deported the parents and tore the family up.

So when I see this I have to wonder, why does Keene merit this treatment while that Philippino family didn't? The answer of course is that Keene is a "name" while the Philippinos are "nobodies". The fact that the Philippinos had broken the law in staying in Japan (while Keene never has) was of course relevant, but again we are talking about the exercise of discretion here which means operating outside the normal rules and procedures. That just doesn't sit well as a justification to me.
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Re: A certain rabblerouser

Unread post by Wage Slave » Thu Mar 15, 2012 6:01 pm

MacGyver wrote:I agreed with his article on immigration though.
I agree with the thrust of it alright but he can't resist this sort of jibe:
International labor is bypassing Japan for other rich countries — those with more accommodating labor practices, more open import/export markets, a more internationally useful language to learn, and a less irradiated food chain.


And that, for me, spoils it. Is he really speaking in good faith or is he a bitter and twisted individual with a whole toolshed's worth of personal axes to grind?
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Re: A certain rabblerouser

Unread post by steki47 » Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:03 am

Wage Slave wrote:
I agree with the thrust of it alright but he can't resist this sort of jibe:
International labor is bypassing Japan for other rich countries

Debito obviously has an ax to grind, but is the quote not true? I have seen numbers which indicate that internationally mobile laborers are choosing other countries. (Half-heartedly thinking of it myself.)

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Re: A certain rabblerouser

Unread post by steki47 » Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:10 am

MacGyver wrote:I agreed with his article on immigration though. In a word, Japan is farked.
Japan is facing a rough future on many levels, but it will remain Japanese. Demographically Japanese and culturally "Japanese". That fits in with a general attitude around here.

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