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Based on my personal encounters with Japanese police my impression is

Very favorable
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8%
Somewhat favorable
16
26%
Neutral (neither favorable, nor unfavorable)
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25%
Somewhat unfavorable
7
11%
Very unfavorable
11
18%
Doesn't apply to me/Have not had any personal encounters with the Japanese police
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11%
 
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Re: The Japanese Police Thread

Unread post by MacGyver » Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:59 pm

The plods that stand at intersections with traffic lights and blow their whistles and wave their batons when the lights change. Tax payer money well spent...

Or the plods that catch low hanging fruit....Near my house on a main road there is a cop shop and most mornings until about 9ish one plod stands with a radio about 100m or so away and radios the gang of plods standing in front of the cop shop every time a bicycle or maybe bike/scooter (usually bicycle) runs one of the red lights. They scoop them up and give them tickets. Fark me there are so many other things the plods could be doing to improve safety but no that would mean actually doing some work. This is just too easy....
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Re: The Japanese Police Thread

Unread post by Kuronama » Sat Oct 01, 2011 1:31 pm

Fukin cops. Returned from Canada yesterday, 10 hours from Vancouver to narita, and the cops stopped me TWICE - AND AFTER clearing immigration. I gave one word responses and a don't fuck with me look. Fukin twice - and within a minute of each other!! This country is living in feudal times in so many ways, it's not even funny :cuss:

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Unread post by allblacks » Sat Oct 01, 2011 3:12 pm

I hope you were short with them. I would be.

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Re: The Japanese Police Thread

Unread post by Inakanosensei » Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:29 pm

I got stopped and asked a bunch of questions while waiting to leave Japan. The cop picks me, the only non-Asian looking person in the area and starts to ask me a bunch of questions. I had PR at the time and wanted to tell him that I didn't have a job and lived in a tent but just answered truthfully. It's kind of humiliating to be picked out of a crowd for an interrogation.

Not a cop, but once the customs officer asked in English if I was coming into Japan for "business or pleasure" and I kept telling him in Japanese that I live here. I wouldn't call it business or pleasure. Finally it sunk in what I was saying and he stopped.

I have seen three blatant cases of police laziness or indifference.

One cold night on the way home my friend and I saw an apparently drunk man passed out near a busy intersection. We probably should have stopped but we debated it a while and decided to tell a koban in our town. The cop just gave us a look like "What are you telling me this for?"

Another time I saw a drunk man punch another drunk man really hard, several times, and I went to a nearby koban to get immediate help. Another concerned citizen was had beaten me there reporting it but the cop looked like he was in no hurry to move at all. It was an assault in progress, as reported by two witnesses, and he just stood there looking at us.

The worst one for me was when a drunk man ran me, my wife and the motorcycle we were on off the road. On purpose. Then he got out of his car and kicked my front tire. His killer rage disappeared when I lifted my visor and he saw I was a gaijin. He went from road rage to all apologetic. I memorized his license plate number and told him to leave even though he offered to wait until the police arrived. I told him to leave because it freaked me out he was standing there after nearly running me over and kicking my bike. After he left I went to a koban and told the police. They said that since there was no visible damage to us or the bike, they could do nothing. He just apologized about poor Japanese manners.

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Re: The Japanese Police Thread

Unread post by exUsagiCoalMiner » Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:51 pm

After reading all of these posts, I sure hope to Hell I NEVER have to deal with the plods here. Fucking ineffective asshats.
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Unread post by Mogura » Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:21 pm

It's an old video, but given the recent posts regarding the J-plods' ineffectiveness at doing that which should be obvious (i.e., their job), I thought it appropriate...

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Unread post by exUsagiCoalMiner » Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:06 pm

What a wank-tard!
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Re: The Japanese Police Thread

Unread post by angryboy » Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:20 pm

The fucking arsehole knew he had lost the fight when the guy asked for his ID and said he didn`t have to but
the guy tells him he does.You could see him almost turn and walk away.
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Re: The Japanese Police Thread

Unread post by allblacks » Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:08 am

The good thing is you can go years without having anything to do with them. A good example is myself. 2007 and 2008 I got stopped pretty frequently on my bicycle by them. Then when I moved and stopped riding to the station I didnt have any contact until the nav thing. It was a gap of 2 or 3 years.

Dunno why but whenever Im at the airport I am never asked for ID by anyone. Could be a Kansai thing? I mean even when Im down there next to the Koban. Theres a Lawson there so that would be why Im there but they never bother me. Recently have taken clients out to the airport but same. Never bothered. Myself or the client.

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Re: The Japanese Police Thread

Unread post by Wage Slave » Tue Oct 04, 2011 2:47 pm

I'm getting concerned that I have become just too respectable and/or decrepit looking. I haven't had any contact with the police since I moved here 6 years ago. Not once. I drive. I go out sometimes, sometimes I grow my hair, I never wear a suit. Surely I don't look THAT boring and safe?
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Re: The Japanese Police Thread

Unread post by Wage Slave » Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:11 pm

This is very true. No problem at all attracting their attention when I was in my late teens in Brisbane and it was a nightmare.
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Re: The Japanese Police Thread

Unread post by allblacks » Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:46 am

Just want to make a general observation. Where I live, like other places Im sure, there are often 2 or 3 cars which go through after a red light. The other morning a patrol car did this as I was crossing the street: the officers in it gawking at me as they went through the red light.

How can they expect others to follow the road rules when they so openly break them? I didnt get a pic of them doing it. Wish I did.
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Man claims he was pushed off train by six drunk cops

Unread post by Mogura » Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:20 am

This is an outrage. I demand an internal investigation... :eyes:

Source: http://www.japantoday.com/category/crim ... drunk-cops
Man claims he was pushed off train by six drunk cops

Crime Oct. 27, 2011 - 06:25AM JST

OSAKA —
A man has lodged a complaint with Osaka police authorities, claiming that he was forced off a train by six drunk police officers.

According to a report on TBS, the man claims that the officers were behaving in a drunk and disorderly fashion on a Kansai line train at around 11:30 p.m. on Oct 21. The officers allegedly disturbed other passengers and performed chin-ups on the overhead hand rails.

The man told reporters that he asked the group to be more considerate of other passengers, at which point the confrontation escalated. The man was allegedly forced from the train by several officers at Tennoji Station, at which point he reported the incident, TBS reported. He was quoted as saying that he was hit on the head twice.

Osaka police said they are currently investigating the incident.
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Unread post by allblacks » Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:43 am

The outcome will be as follows:

Sorry they were drunk.

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Re: The Japanese Police Thread

Unread post by exUsagiCoalMiner » Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:47 am

You'll think they'll even say that much?
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Unread post by allblacks » Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:49 am

exUsagiCoalMiner wrote:You'll think they'll even say that much?
Ok Ill revise that:

They were drunk.

There that justifies everything.

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Re: The Japanese Police Thread

Unread post by exUsagiCoalMiner » Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:15 pm

allblacks wrote:
exUsagiCoalMiner wrote:You'll think they'll even say that much?
Ok Ill revise that:

They were drunk.

There that justifies everything.
Here, unfortunately, yes.
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Re: The Japanese Police Thread

Unread post by Level3 » Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:13 pm

Quite relevant to Japan police practices. Heck, some might say the tendencies listed below would likely be even worse in any culture where there is less tendency to question authority. "The police say he 'confessed', so this evidence/testimony that proves he's innocent must be a mistake. No point in bringing it to the judge."
Though these days, I don't think as many people (Japanese or not), are putting a lot of faith in the J prosecutors trustworthiness. OTOH, the J police tendency to not even DO the kinds of testing (i.e. not even doing autopsies for suspicious deaths) might make part of the paper moot.

http://www.psychologicalscience.org/ind ... shows.html
False Confessions May Lead to More Errors in Evidence, a Study Shows

A man with a low IQ confesses to a gruesome crime. Confession in hand, the police send his blood to a lab to confirm that his blood type matches the semen found at the scene. It does not. The forensic examiner testifies later that one blood type can change to another with disintegration. This is untrue. The newspaper reports the story, including the time the man says the murder took place. Two witnesses tell the police they saw the woman alive after that. The police send them home, saying they “must have seen a ghost.” After 16 years in prison, the falsely convicted man is exonerated by DNA evidence.

How could this happen? “False confessions can corrupt other evidence, both from laypeople and forensic experts,” says John Jay College of Criminal Justice psychologist Saul Kassin, summarizing a new study conducted with Daniel Bogart of the University of California Irvine and Nova Southeastern University’s Jacqueline Kerner. The findings, which will appear in an upcoming issue of Psychological Science, a journal published by the Association for Psychological Science, have far-reaching implications for judges and juries, prosecutors and defense attorneys.

Confessions, when true, are an important tool in convicting criminals. But false confessions frequently play a major role in convicting innocent people. Experiments show that juries and potential witnesses are influenced by confessions even if they know they were coerced. Also in the lab, experienced polygraph examiners, fingerprint experts, and other experts, when informed of a confession, see what they expect to see—that is, evidence of guilt.

To back up these findings with real-life data, the psychologists thoroughly reviewed the trial records of 241 people exonerated by the Innocence Project since 1992. Of these, 59—or 25 percent—involved false confessions, either by the defendant or an alleged accomplice. One-hundred eighty—or 75 percent—involved eyewitness mistakes. The analysis revealed that multiple errors turned up far more often in false confession cases than in eyewitness cases: 69 percent versus fewer than half. And two thirds of the time, the confession came first, followed by other errors, namely invalid forensic science and government informants.

Kassin believes the findings “greatly underestimate the problem” because of what never shows up in court: evidence of innocence. Told the suspect confessed, “alibi witnesses back out, thinking they’re mistaken,” police stop searching for the real culprit. “We show that confessions bring in other incriminating evidence that is false. What we don’t see is a tendency to suppress exculpatory evidence.”

The study throws doubt on a critical legal concept designed to safeguard the innocent: corroboration. Appeals courts uphold a conviction even if a false confession is discovered, as long as other evidence—say, forensics or other witness testimony—independently shows guilt. “What these findings suggest is that there may well be the appearance of corroboration,” says Kassin, “but it is false evidence that was corrupted by the confession—not independent at all.”

Already, many states require that interrogations be taped, so that confessions are not coerced or taken when the suspect is in psychological distress. With this study, “Juries and judges have more reason to critically evaluate the conditions under which that other evidence was taken, too.”
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Re: The Japanese Police Thread

Unread post by Mogura » Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:24 pm

If only the Japanese police handle murder crimes as effectively as their bicycle patrols such gross displays of incompetence may never occur...

Source: http://www.japantoday.com/category/crim ... -walk-free
Evidence misfiled for 12 years may have allowed killer to walk free
Crime Nov. 28, 2011 - 01:00PM JST

TOKYO —
Critical evidence in a 1999 murder case in Tokyo was misfiled by police and went undiscovered for 12 years as a result, authorities said Sunday.

The case concerns the murder of a 28-year-old woman in an apartment in Itabashi. According to NTV, the palm prints of prime suspect Seiji Uchida, 38, were taken from the crime scene and then misplaced in the police database. Sources say that the officer who filed the evidence did so under the supervision of an experienced superior who also failed to notice the mistake, NTV reported.

The evidence was found this year when an officer engaged in a separate investigation into Uchida, who was arrested this year for another crime, remembered the case and searched through the original materials.

The National Police Agency has urged all police stations to ensure that similar mistakes have not taken place in their databases, NTV reported.
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Toy poodles to join Tottori police

Unread post by Mogura » Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:17 pm

Please tell me that this is one sick fucking joke...

Source: http://www.japantoday.com/category/crim ... ese-police
Toy poodles to join Tottori police
Crime Dec. 01, 2011 - 06:30AM JST

TOKYO —
Japanese police are taking on two new recruits—a pair of toy poodles.

Two-year-old Fuga and one-year-old Karin have passed tests to become police canines for the Tottori prefectural police, said a spokesman.

“Their trainers thought the dogs had keen senses and responded exceptionally well to commands,” the spokesman said, acknowledging poodles were an unusual choice for police, who usually prefer larger breeds like Labradors.

He said the dogs would find employment searching for missing hikers in the mountainous prefecture.

Tottori Prefecture does not have a full-time police canine force, and relies on about 20 privately owned dogs with special training to help with investigations when needed.
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Re: The Japanese Police Thread

Unread post by allblacks » Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:20 pm

I didnt know there was a breed called that. Anyway, if they do the job...

Every day I feel like Im running the fucking gauntlet here walking down the street to the station to and from work. This includes the pedestrian arcade in Namba. Why arent the police all over these idiots? Its simply because they dont give a shit.

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Re: The Japanese Police Thread

Unread post by allblacks » Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:00 pm

Sorry but I have to comment on this:

http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20111 ... 4-jij-soci

"不正送金、9割超は中国人口座=ネット取引、グループ暗躍か―警察庁"

"90% of illegal money transfers are made by Chinese"...According to Japanese police.

:eyes:

Yeah right. :zzz:

Is that the same as the foreigner crime wave explosion that cop morons always harp on about? Heres a statistic I just made up: 90% of all police activity in Japan is wanky bullshit that doesn't do anything for the community. :FU:

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Re: The Japanese Police Thread

Unread post by Mogura » Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:42 pm

allblacks wrote:Sorry but I have to comment on this:

http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20111 ... 4-jij-soci

"不正送金、9割超は中国人口座=ネット取引、グループ暗躍か―警察庁"

"90% of illegal money transfers are made by Chinese"...According to Japanese police.

:eyes:

Yeah right. :zzz:

Is that the same as the foreigner crime wave explosion that cop morons always harp on about? Heres a statistic I just made up: 90% of all police activity in Japan is wanky bullshit that doesn't do anything for the community. :FU:
What is it about the money transfers that make them "illegal"?
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Police at first turned away surrendering Aum fugitive

Unread post by Mogura » Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:00 pm

Keystones kick off the New Year with a major Fail of sorts:

Source: http://www.japantoday.com/category/crim ... m-fugitive
Police at first turned away surrendering Aum fugitive
Crime Jan. 04, 2012 - 01:45PM JST

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TOKYO —
Police turned away one of the nation’s most wanted fugitives when he tried to surrender at Tokyo police headquarters on New Year’s Eve after nearly 17 years on the run, reports said Tuesday.

A police officer at the main entrance of the Tokyo Metropolitan Police thought it was a bad joke when Makoto Hirata, a former member of the Aum Supreme Truth doomsday cult, responsible for the 1995 nerve-gas attack on the Tokyo subway, showed up.

According to major media, he approached the officer around 11:35 p.m. Saturday and said: “I am Makoto Hirata. I am turning myself in.”

But the officer dismissed him as a fake and urged Hirata to go to a local police station some 700 meters away, said the Asahi, Yomiuri and Mainichi newspapers.

Hirata, who is wanted over a 1995 kidnapping, then told to the officer: “I am Hirata on the special wanted list.”

The officer did not consult with his colleagues and again told Hirata to head to the Marunouchi police station, where he arrived 15 minutes later and was arrested, local media said.

Hirata said he first went to a police station in Osaki but found no one on duty, so he took a train to Tokyo. He is believed to have arrived at Shinagawa Station on a shinkansen.

Hirata’s hair was longer than in his photos from the mid-1990s, but his major facial features and body shape had not significantly changed, the Asahi said.

Hirata also claims to have called a police hotline recently about his case, but was not taken seriously, national broadcaster NHK said.

He turned himself in after nearly 17 years on the run for his alleged role in a plot to kidnap a man in 1995 and conspiring with others to hold him in confinement and inject him with a chemical, causing him to die.

Hirata reportedly told investigators that he wanted to turn himself in after seeing the devastation caused by the March 2011 earthquake and tsunami.

He said he could come forward because the statute of limitations had expired for a 1995 shooting of the chief of the National Police Agency.

Hirata reportedly told investigators that he wanted to avoid a wrongful arrest and claims to have no role in the shooting, despite earlier police suspicion that he was involved.

He also said he has no interest in delaying the execution of Aum founder Shoko Asahara.
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Re: The Japanese Police Thread

Unread post by Level3 » Tue Jan 10, 2012 6:21 pm

I'm sure you're all seeing the news about the Taiwanese murder case, the key concept being

"committed suicide in police custody after confessing"

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Re: The Japanese Police Thread

Unread post by allblacks » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:09 pm

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/fl20120124zg.html
...When asked what he wanted to happen to the policeman, Jian replied, "I want him to say sorry because we had a fight. I want him to quit his job."

Kazuaki Suzuki, deputy chief of the Senju Police Department, says a thorough investigation was carried out into the incident after Macdonald came to the station and laid a complaint. He says that he and other officers viewed video footage of the entire incident recorded by a security camera located at the rear entrance to the Marui store, and also interviewed and took a statement from a department store security guard who was present at the time.

Suzuki says that the video footage clearly shows that Macdonald's claim that the police officer used violence against his son is completely false.

"At no point did the officer punch the child. In fact, he did not even touch him at all. All the officer did was hold up his open hand in front of the camera to try and stop him from taking a photo."

Suzuki also says that Macdonald's accusations that the officer threatened him with his nightstick and vandalized his motorcycle are also false, and that the security guard's statement fully corroborates the police version of events.

The Japan Times asked to view the security camera footage but the Senju Police denied the request.

"If we go to court we will show the video, but as it is evidence we can't make it public now," Suzuki said.

According to Suzuki, the patrol car in question had been dispatched to the Marui store to deal with an unrelated incident when they first encountered Macdonald at the traffic lights near the station. He says that Macdonald suddenly started yelling "Kese! Kese!" at the officers in an attempt to get them to turn off their flashing lights. The officers were confused by Macdonald's behavior, but as they had to attend to an emergency, they drove on, Suzuki says.

A man had been caught at the department store taking photos up girls' skirts, and the officers in question were there to pick him up and take him to the station for questioning, says Suzuki.

"A criminal suspect was coming out of the building. He was a suspect and had not been arrested so there was an obligation to protect his privacy. This is why the officers tried to stop Macdonald taking photos."

Suzuki acknowledges that Macdonald did not break the law, which was why he was not arrested. He also says the engine of Macdonald's bike was turned off by the officer at the scene because it was dangerous to leave it running on a public road.

When asked if the officer had held Macdonald at the scene against his will or attempted to conceal his identity by covering his badge, he said he didn't know as that information was not presently at hand.

Suzuki says that he does not know why Macdonald is making accusations that the police were violent towards his son.

"I am very sorry to hear he is saying these things. I think it is a real shame because he is not telling the truth," Suzuki said. "I wish he did not have such an mistaken impression of the Japanese police force. I hope we can resolve things and be on good terms with him in the future."
The whole article is too fricking long. Im not taking sides. Its too hard cos I wasnt there and didnt see it but IF the cops did hit this kid there should be hell to pay.

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Re: The Japanese Police Thread

Unread post by Level3 » Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:20 pm

I'd rather hear the story in person, because it's very easy to take this guy's story in an unsympathetic way, with all the little excuses he has, as just another one of those stories you hear from that asshole jailbird friend everyone has once, the one who lays out his stories of drunken adventures such that he is always completely innocent of any wrongdoing.
"I just lightly tapped him on the shoulder to get his attention"
means
"I punched him."
and so on.

This guy chases some down cops while they are headed to a crime scene (upskirt photography, welcome to Japan, so I guess it is not so urgent that they can ignore some confrontational gaijin in their face), looking for a confrontation that he can put on camera (he basically admits this), screams at them completely out of the blue from their perspective, gets into an argument, the cops tell him he should turn off his bike while they talk, so of course he doesn't (making up an excuse about how the battery is low..uh huh) in order to escalate the situation, and escalate it further by taking more pictures and/or video. Then weeks later claims his son was bruised by the cop.

I just want to see HIS video.

Knowing J cops, his story COULD be entirely true. I just don't like this all too familiar "I'm totally innocent" tone despite him clearly deserving at least 50% credit for causing the situation. However, I think this is the first "Gaijin pulls over a J cop" (Man Bites Dog?) story I've ever heard. So, in way, I admire this guy for that. And of course, the cops will say the same thing whether they are guilty or innocent. Though the promise to produce a video if there is a court battle is a troubling wrinkle for this guy... just a bluff? True? We can't know, but he sure does.

But the photo of your kid crying for the camera? Classy. :roll:

Maybe this guy wants to be the next debito, and this is his shot at his own Otaru Onsen incident. There are a few parellels in the M.O.

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Re: The Japanese Police Thread

Unread post by RalphWiggum » Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:21 am

If the copper hit the kid then yes, he should take the appropriate punishment.

However...

The father sounds like a massive, gaping arsehole of a man. For a start he's got a child on the back of his bike. Don't know about Japan but that's massively illegal in the UK and rightly so. He's also forced his way into this situation where not only was it avoidable, it was more difficult to have it happen than not. He's then antagonised the police and put his son in harm's way by having him film it. Finally, he's happy for his son's face to be all over the article but he's avoided having his own face anywhere near it.

Plus (and this has nothing to do with the point, but it annoyed me anyway!) - the article says his son is fluent in English and Japanese. "I was pointing a camera. The bad police just punched me hard. It was hurt, very hurt." says otherwise.
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Re: The Japanese Police Thread

Unread post by exUsagiCoalMiner » Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:25 am

RalphWiggum wrote:Plus (and this has nothing to do with the point, but it annoyed me anyway!) - the article says his son is fluent in English and Japanese. "I was pointing a camera. The bad police just punched me hard. It was hurt, very hurt." says otherwise.
I have to wonder if the kid actually said that or if it's just the stellar reporting and editing job the JT does...

I'm also curious as to why the cops are holding onto the video? If it shows the morons in blue did no wrong, why not show it? Wouldn't that prevent a court case from happening and save the taxpayers a little bit of money?

But, yeah, the father is a massive D-bag.
"But it's got sharp, pointy teeth!"

allblacks

Re: The Japanese Police Thread

Unread post by allblacks » Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:59 pm

http://www.japantoday.com/category/crim ... s-fall-ill
TOKYO —
Police on Thursday confiscated herbs from a vendor in Shibuya’s Dogenzaka after three teenagers were taken ill.

According to police, the three were taken to hospital feeling sick after smoking a herb they had bought at the store on Wednesday. Police raided the store and confiscated samples for testing, TV Asahi reported.

Preliminary investigations revealed that the mixture contained an illegal hallucinogen.

Police said Friday that the teenagers, all younger than 17, were not in any danger and that investigations are ongoing.
Jeez I wonder what it was? And dumb move telling the druggie foreigners! Haha

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