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Based on my personal encounters with Japanese police my impression is

Very favorable
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8%
Somewhat favorable
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26%
Neutral (neither favorable, nor unfavorable)
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25%
Somewhat unfavorable
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11%
Very unfavorable
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18%
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Police capt in organized crime unit warned for accepting fri

Unread post by Mogura » Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:03 pm

Good thing this cop wasn't canned for his indiscretion. It would have been a tremendous loss to the police force and public at large...

Source: http://www.japantoday.com/category/crim ... m-gangster
Police capt in organized crime unit warned for accepting fridge from gangster
Wednesday 03rd March, 09:03 AM JST

KANAGAWA —
A 59-year-old captain in Kanagawa Prefectural Police’s Organized Crime Control Division received a verbal warning in 2007 for accepting a refrigerator from a top member of an organized crime group, it was learned on Tuesday.

The captain was a key figure in the investigation of a former member of the Yamaguchi-gumi crime group who shot an officer that was attempting to search a house in Yokohama City in September 2007.

A task force was set up and the captain mentioned to an acquaintance that their office in Kanagawa Police Station didn’t have a refrigerator, and one was supplied by a member of the Inagawakai crime group. Officers used the refrigerator and the supplier came to light when the investigation finished and the refrigerator was to be returned.

The captain was also cautioned for sexual harassment in 2007, and is currently under investigation for attending a gym during work hours.
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Re: The Japanese Police Thread

Unread post by genieZero » Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:30 pm

This happened today 29/03/2010

I was stopped by 5 police officers as I was smoking outside a ramen shop. An older police officer asked me if I had eaten ramen, I simply ignored him and gave him a blank stare. A female officer then requested that I show my passport. I gave her my gaijin card, and she read out that I was from England. The older officer tugged my bag and wanted to search it. I did not like being surrounded by police, and asked him if he had a search warrant in Japanese.

This stunned him and he replied by asking how I knew such a word. I did not move and he tried too reach for my bag. I told him again that he needed a search warrant. The officer then went behind me and pulled off my bag, and started to empty it's contents. They found some incense that I had purchased and rolling papers.

This is when the real problems started. I was taken to the small koban and they removed my jacket, hoody and also tried to take off my t-shirt (in public view). I stopped them from taking off my t-shirt. They took me to a room inside the koban and had me remove my belt, which the same old officer would not let me have back. I then was told to sit as they went through my belongings. He accused me of taking drugs, I said that I had done no such thing! A female officer (Nakajima Yuka) then told me to remove my shoes and socks, which I did.

After, they drove me to the big police station in Shibuya for interrogation and drug testing. A small detective dressed in black sat me down and tested the incense. Surely enough, it came out as negative. They then asked why I was carrying rolling papers, I said I like to smoke roll up cigarettes if I run out of tobacco at home. They then made me sign (fingerprint) numerous forms giving them permission to take the incense and also a urine test. The forms were voluntary, so I asked them what would happen if I refused to give my urine sample. Another detective (sorry for not taking names, there were 8 police officers in the room at the time) told me I would be taken to the hospital where a very painful procedure would be performed to take the urine by force.

I gave the sample, as I had finished, they brought in an officer who was bald (as am I) and said 'He is your brother!'. I did not find it amusing, I really wanted to get the hell out of there.

They performed the test in front of me and it came out negative (surprise surprise!). The whole ordeal took around 3 hours, and I pushed them to give me a lift to where I was going which they did.

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Re: The Japanese Police Thread

Unread post by behan » Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:33 pm

genieZero wrote:This happened today 29/03/2010
. . .
Holy sh*t, Genie. That's awful. I know a lot of people won't agree with my assessment, but I think it's racially motivated police harassment. There should be some way of reporting police harassment. I wonder if there is the equivalent of Internal Affairs in Japan.

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Unread post by exUsagiCoalMiner » Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:36 pm

behan wrote:
genieZero wrote:This happened today 29/03/2010
. . .
Holy sh*t, Genie. That's awful. I know a lot of people won't agree with my assessment, but I think it's racially motivated police harassment. There should be some way of reporting police harassment. I wonder if there is the equivalent of Internal Affairs in Japan.
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Unread post by steki47 » Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:04 pm

That is quite horrible. I would report it to somebody. Maybe contact a few people or the media. Debito comes to mind.

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Unread post by allblacks » Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:15 pm

So who is going to represent you? If I were you I would be hiring a lawyer and making a huge stink over that.
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Unread post by wilde_oscar » Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:48 pm

Have you contacted the closest Embassy/Consulate of wherever you're a citizen of?
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Unread post by genieZero » Tue Mar 30, 2010 4:07 pm

Thanks for the support guys!

It was shock to me to say the least, I never had 5 police officers surround me...ever. It was the older policemen who were really nasty towards me and bullish. They treated me like a criminal, and hated the fact that I knew they needed a search warrant (I got that from the JT article debito wrote). I emailed Debito about it, and I also went to see Louis Carlet, he help me write out exactly what happened and translated into Japanese, then sent it to Amnesty International.

I was thinking about contacting the British Consulate, but they would not be of any use, what will they? Tell the police to be nice?!

The worst part I have to say was the initial stop... I never expected them to pull my bag and off and take everything out. Then the big shot detective sitting in front of me with his drug testing kit, and more police piling into the tiny ass interrogation room to see if the gaijin will go to prison... He actually said it maybe 'cocaine or heroin' after it turned out negative! I started laughing which made him bark at me in Japanese.

Same with the urine test, maybe 8 or 9 police officers all stood inside as they waited for the result, it came out negative.

The one thing I did regret was signing the papers. I always promised myself not to do so, but the way they did it was 'do this or you will not leave this police station'. They did not stop boasting about Sakae Noriko being brought in, and how she paid 5,000,000 yen bail. Poor woman must have been so relieved to get out.

At the end there was no apology of any sort, they said I should not buy incense that is not well known! The big shots went back to their PCs and laughed amongst themselves. I really wanted to get ahold of the pigs that searched me in the first place, they were absolutely racist in the way they treated me, and quite proud of the fact too.

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Re: The Japanese Police Thread

Unread post by wilde_oscar » Tue Mar 30, 2010 4:15 pm

I would suggest a complaint to the British consulate is worthwhile in that these selfsame police officers will have to deal with a complaint not just from a foreign embassy but also from their own MOFA. That is the sort of thing that gets attention and can severely limit careers.

As you've already got the deatails of the incident in writing why not forward it to people who are (supposed) to be there to look after your interests?
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Re: The Japanese Police Thread

Unread post by genieZero » Tue Mar 30, 2010 4:18 pm

I'll give them a call now, but I am not getting my hopes up!

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Unread post by genieZero » Tue Mar 30, 2010 4:40 pm

I'll called the British Embassy, they gave me an email address to send them an email documenting what happened, but also said that they cannot get involved in any legal matters, but can refer me to a lawyer. Let's hope something comes of it. I really hope they don't do what they did to me to anyone else, japanese or non-japanese alike.

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Unread post by Shawn » Tue Mar 30, 2010 4:45 pm

Damn, gZ, that's fucked up. Could I persuade you into putting this on the blog so more eyes can see it?

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Unread post by General Ripper » Tue Mar 30, 2010 4:53 pm

How does one forcibly take a urine sample? couldn't imagine four coppers holding you down while a doctor inserted a catheter. Probably against the hippocratic oath for a doctor to particapte in that kind of bullshit. In any case they were probably correct when they said a very painful procedure. What time of the day did this happen?

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Unread post by Mogura » Tue Mar 30, 2010 7:21 pm

Some questions for those in the know:

How do you say, "Do you have a search warrant?" in Japanese?

Do police in Japan need search warrants to search your home, personal effects or containers (suitcase, bag, car trunks, etc.)?
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Re: The Japanese Police Thread

Unread post by genieZero » Tue Mar 30, 2010 7:30 pm

The search warrant is 'Reijio ga ari masu ka?' and i got it from a blog Debito wrote last year. As far as putting this on the blog Shawn, I would be more than happy to submit it for that.

And it happened at 11:40 am in Shibuya, which is what surprised me the most! If I was there at night then I can imagine the police finding more grounds for a search as that's when most crime occurs (at least in England).

And I don't know if it's worth asking them for a search warrant as it really pissed off one officer who thought it was ok to pull my bag off my back.

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Unread post by Are they the lemmings? » Tue Mar 30, 2010 7:45 pm

Just for reference: The things the police can and can't do when questioning you are set forth in Article 2 of the Act concerning Execution of Duties of Police Officials.

They can:
  • Stop you and question you if:
    • You are acting strangely; or
    • There are reasonable grounds to suspect, based on logical judgement of the situation in the vicinity, that you have committed a crime or are about to commit a crime; or
    • You have knowledge of a crime that has been committed or that a crime is about to be committed.
  • Ask you to accompany them to the local station to continue questioning you if questioning you where they stopped you puts you at a disadvantage or obstructs traffic.
  • Search your person for weapons if you are under arrest.
They cannot:
  • Detain you
  • Take you to a police station or demand answers from you forcefully
...unless you are under arrest.
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Unread post by Shawn » Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:15 pm

genieZero wrote:As far as putting this on the blog Shawn, I would be more than happy to submit it for that.
Great! If you don't mind, could you combine the details you have from the posts and then PM me?

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Unread post by Gizmo » Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:32 pm

I would recommend contacting Debito. I believe the UN human right's commission is in Japan at the moment investigating racial descrimination (or was last weekend at any rate). Debito has/had a meeting with one of the representatives and police racial profiling is/was one of the issues was going to bring up.

I don't know the guy personally or anything, I'm just on some community list and get updates which I glance through. This happens to be directly relevant.
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Unread post by Gizmo » Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:40 pm

The same thing happened to me in Shinjuku a several years back. 5 cops surrounded me (I was walking and smoking on the first day they enacted the law in Tokyo) checked my ID, asked me to take my shoes off and empty my wallet and pockets. This was on a public street with hundreds of people passing and watching. After that they let me go. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but they can hold you up to 3 days with no charge right, for example, if they don't like your face? I wonder how that compares to other developed countries. In the US I think its 24 hours (again, someone please correct me if I'm wrong.)
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Unread post by Are they the lemmings? » Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:16 am

I always thought it was 10 days, which can be extended by another 10 days if circumstances require. Don't quote me on that, though.
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Unread post by bshabu » Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:28 am

Also in the US, you say "lawyer" and the police have to stop. In Japan you have a right to a lawyer, but the police still can do what they want.
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Unread post by behan » Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:01 am

I don't think you have the right to have a lawyer present during questioning in Japan. Foreigners may have the right to an interpreter. Not 100% sure on this, though.

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Unread post by Shawn » Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:14 am

Changing gears slightly: When in doubt, just blame Aum Shinrikyo.
Police released a report Tuesday blaming Aum Shinrikyo for the 1995 attempted assassination of the nation's top police officer, announcing unsubstantiated "findings" in the unsolved crime whose statute of limitations expired at midnight Monday.

"We have recognized that it was an organized, premeditated terror attack conducted by Aum Shinrikyo members under the will of death-row inmate Chizuo Matsumoto," said the report on the shooting of then National Police Agency chief Takaji Kunimatsu.

Police, however, didn't identify the cult shooter. Shortly after the attack, an Aum member on the police force confessed and was investigated, but charges against him and other cultists were never brought.

Matsumoto, more commonly known as Shoko Asahara, has been on death row for masterminding Aum's major crimes, including the 1995 sarin attack on the Tokyo subway system that left 13 dead and some 6,300 injured.

Goro Aoki, head of the public security department of the Metropolitan Police Department, said Tuesday that police were unable to build a case against any cultists due to lack of evidence but nonetheless concluded Aum was to blame.
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genieZero wrote:This happened today 29/03/2010

I was stopped by 5 police officers as I was smoking outside a ramen shop. An older police officer asked me if I had eaten ramen, I simply ignored him and gave him a blank stare. A female officer...
Did you get any names?
Could you (ironically) pick them out of a lineup?
At least what's the name/location of the koban?

One big problem is J cops probably think they are shielded by anonymity, because "gaijin
can't read kanji", so you can only compain about "a bald officer" or "a female officer".
This is in addition to their near-total unaccontability anyway to the general population.

You better push this hard and make someone take responsibility for this illegal violation.

At least you didn't struggle to keep your bag. The sad thing is if you resist their illegal search,
they can arrest you for "interfering in the duties of a public official", maybe
even take an Italian-style soccer dive and get you on "assaulting an officer"
Doesn't matter if the charges wouldn't hold up in court, they can punish you for 23 days in holding,
and maybe turn an innocent man into a "confessed" criminal and meet their quota.

I suppose one other lesson is that we gaijin are not free to carry rolling papers and incense.
Just say "No" to rolling papers and incense.
Seriously though, why carry "PLEASE TEST ME FOR DRUGS" items in your bag
while loitering in Shibuya? Were you holding only the rolling papers without any tobacco?
And incense? Did you just buy it? What makes one head out the door and think,
"Damn, almost forgot to bring my incense?!"
Was your bag made of hemp?

Not saying it's your fault, but still.
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Unread post by Mogura » Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:49 pm

Just out of curiosity, was the cigarette you were smoking outside of the ramen shop a commercially made one or was it one that you rolled? Could the cops have made an honest mistake by assuming that your home-rolled cigarette was a joint?
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Unread post by genieZero » Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:03 pm

I suppose one other lesson is that we gaijin are not free to carry rolling papers and incense.
Just say "No" to rolling papers and incense.
Seriously though, why carry "PLEASE TEST ME FOR DRUGS" items in your bag
while loitering in Shibuya? Were you holding only the rolling papers without any tobacco?
And incense? Did you just buy it? What makes one head out the door and think,
"Damn, almost forgot to bring my incense?!"
Was your bag made of hemp?
Please test me for drugs items?? Well the rolling papers were your run of the mill small sized zigzags that I had in my backpack for maybe 6 months or longer, I was stupid enough to think that I was not breaking the law or arousing suspicion. As for the incense, I bought it a couple of weeks ago and also did not remove it as I did not think it was a big deal.

Loitering? Hardly. I was stading outside a ramen shop which had an ashtray so I could smoke. I was smoking normal commercial cigarettes. I also had some old filter tips at the bottom which they did not even glance at, even though I said I use them to roll. I smoke roll ups when I run out of smokes at home and don't wan to go to the combini or find a tobacco dispenser. Makes a nice change sometimes.

And my bag is made of a fine blend of cotton and plastics I imagine. But yes, I learnt not to carry any of the two things again, a police officer who spoke a little English told me at the end that I should not carry rolling papers as most Japanese smoke normal cigarettes and that it aroused suspicion. When a pack of twenty in England costs 6 pounds, roll ups are the economical option.

And believe me I asked for names, but they would simply give me first names, even though I asked for their full names. They knew what they did was wrong, but I was in the wrong place at the wrong time (11:30 a.m)?!

They really thought I was a pothead, and were really beat down when the urine sample came negative, hence they left the room immediately.

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Unread post by genieZero » Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:15 pm

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This was the koban they took me to.

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Unread post by Mogura » Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:48 pm

Well, if you know the exact koban they took you to, as well as the date and time, then it shouldn't be too hard to track down who was assigned to work there.

I got the shakedown once several years ago. Tied me up for 3 hours. One of the cops asked me what I did for a living, and I told him that I was a computer consultant. He then proceeded to probe me about a computer issue he was having at home (he wasn't really into the "investigation"). After that I sent the police headquarters an invoice for 3 hours of computer consulting time. (Before anyone asks... no, they didn't pay...)
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Unread post by Are they the lemmings? » Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:36 pm

Don't bother with names; ask for their ID number. They must provide it when asked.
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genieZero wrote:This was the koban they took me to.
Ah yes the koban in front of the soaplands... :wink:
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