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Re: The End of G.com Thread

Unread post by Julio Midnight » Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:26 am

Whenever I hear the word 'renewal', I think of Logan's Run.

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Re: The End of G.com Thread

Unread post by Japandy » Tue Apr 08, 2008 1:52 pm

Without creative accounting is it possible to be in the black for May as the president wishes?

I really can't see it.

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Unread post by japansmith » Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:52 pm

Japandy wrote:Without creative accounting is it possible to be in the black for May as the president wishes?I really can't see it.
I think he meant "in the black rain" referring to that Michael Douglas movie when he came to Japan as a bad-ass cop, etc....

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japansmith wrote:
Japandy wrote:Without creative accounting is it possible to be in the black for May as the president wishes?I really can't see it.
I think he meant "in the black rain" referring to that Michael Douglas movie when he came to Japan as a bad-ass cop, etc....
Yeah I watched that one a few weeks ago, classic B-movie! Michael Douglas looks absolutely absurd trying to be a badass. I prefer Rising Sun, although it's not set in Japan...

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Re: The End of G.com Thread

Unread post by Japandy » Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:27 pm

It says on the main page that vacation requests are being turned down en masse.

Will this not precipitate the departure of many more instructors?

Can't see how they can continue much longer.....

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Re: The End of G.com Thread

Unread post by Stick-Swinging Incident » Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:48 pm

with not enough teachers to cover schedules, they can't get the paid vacation time.

As previously posted, the ONLY way you might get it is IF you resign and put it on the end... but seeing as how GCom has ignored so many OTHER labour laws, I can see them just shorting you on the pay and saying tough luck on the paid holidays.
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Re: The End of G.com Thread

Unread post by chipstar » Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:09 pm

When GCom started up, Inayoshi stated that 7 paid holidays would be available to all foreign staff in the first 6 months, where the Instructors were not allowed to take theirs till after 6 months.
There have been some ex AAMs etc that have taken some of their holidays already, they werent approved nor were they denied, just got no reply from the area managers but they took them anyway and were paid.
If they decide to leave the company before June, they will have the number of holidays they originally took in the first six month period deducted from their final paycheck. Nice!!
As for the Instructors, I as was stated in the previous post, I doubt they will be approved even though they said they would be available. So tagging them on the end of your final month may not work so do not count on it.
It will depend on the branch needs blah blah!! and we know what the branches are all like now. The average branch in my area has about 1400 active students with about 7 Instructors.

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Re: The End of G.com Thread

Unread post by jon » Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:45 am

The average branch in my area has about 1400 active students with about 7 Instructors.

If they keep operating on those kind of numbers and don't care the hell who they piss off, they might just get into the black even with the huge discount. Their family and friends thing is quite interesting because it kind of commits them to being a discount shop for at least the next year if the only new students they get come from that.

If they managed to get their tails out of the red by being way cheaper than everyone else, having large numbers in every school with a minmal number of teachers and bare bones admin it could end up dragging the price of Eikaiwa classes right down into the gutter. Other businesses would end up copying their style. The big ones wouldn't at first, but middle size or new ones would. I'll be watching their monthly profit/loss situation with interest and hoping they are not successful.

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Re: The End of G.com Thread

Unread post by InTheColdLightOfDay » Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:57 pm

That seems to be the direction they're going. With their ratio system branches need an average of 4 students per class over 1 calendar month in order to "immediately" get a new teacher. Where this new teacher will come from remains to be seen. At the same time, if a branch averages less than 3 students per class over the same time they will lose a teacher, who will be put on standby. So they pretty much have to be maxing out every class, for every teacher, for a whole month to have any hope of getting anyone else.
Of course, with this system you could theoretically have a situation where a school averages 2.9 students per class over 1 month, so 1 teacher goes on standby. Because the branch is now minus 1 teacher, the average for the next month would probably increase. If it increased to 4, they could get a new teacher. But now, with that "new" teacher, the average would probably fall again. If it falls below 3, the following month the branch would then lose a teacher again... Rinse and repeat.

Also, a man-to-man class counts as 3 because students have to use 3 points, not 5, even though that lesson is full. So a branch that has every lesson except 1 booked as a man-to-man lesson over the course of a month, with that other lesson containing 2 students in a group lesson, would technically lose 1 teacher, even though there was only 1 lesson over the whole month that wasn't full.
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Re: The End of G.com Thread

Unread post by Japandy » Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:46 pm

A couple of interesting snippets from the front page:

TO ALL STAFF
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 19:38.

To: All Staff

Otsukaresama desu.

Recently, G.education has recorded a loss of 470 million yen in both the
months of March and February 2008.

As a result, the company is in a difficult situation and regretfully we
have no choice but to ask all the employees of G.education to take a
salary cut as a matter of collective responsibility.

Chairman Inayoshi had wanted to avoid such action, but if the company
did not take this course the company would not be able to continue
running as a business.

We need to get through this difficult situation in March and April. We
need to show profits until the business situation becomes stable.

Mr. Inayoshi made a difficult decision in asking all employees to
understand the need for cuts in salaries. As the Chairman of the company

Mr. Inayoshi bears responsibility for the unsuccessful sales results and
as a consequence Mr. Inayoshi has decided not to take a salary for
himself for one year.

The following decision has been made:

New salaries starting from April 1 2008 (May 5th payment)

笆 For all G. Education Staff

[Head Office Staff] Position: Will alter 2 ranks down

[Managers] Salary reductions will be carried out

[Branch Staff] Position : Will alter 1 rank down

Should you not be able to accept this reduction in your salary, you have
the option of maintaining the same salary for April and being dismissed
as an employee at the end of April. In this case, your last working day
will be 31st March 2008 and you will finish employment on 30th April 2008.

And:

Banks withdraw lifeline again
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 18:28.

As we heard 6 weeks ago the bank that were giving G-com a line of credit said they wouldn't anymore unless significant progress was made.

So G-com went on a cost cutting spree to prove to these institutions that they could make it into the black. The result was that these credit organizations agreed to extend the deadline. We saw the end of FP as a result and further cuts to teacher numbers even in busy branches where complaints are now becoming increasingly common. On top of that staff members salaries were cut.

However, after what I am told was a very very disappointing March and an even more disappointing first half to April, these institutions have once again cut off g-com's line of credit. GC had made an attempt to imply a profit in a couple of newspaper articles circulated among the staff however it seems that this was just so much spin and the truth is somewhat different to the public relations face they are putting on.

I got this from my AM.
Can't guess at what it could mean in the long run though.

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Re: The End of G.com Thread

Unread post by indoctrin8 » Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:57 pm

fucking jesus. tell me this isnt true.

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Re: The End of G.com Thread

Unread post by Stick-Swinging Incident » Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:13 am

Don't know that this is actually anything unexpected or even unmentioned. I seem to remember people talking about this at least a month ago. Granted they didn't have the official "We are so sorry to screw you over" notice but the info was there.

Kinda sucks that the branch staff are getting shafted again, since they were the first to lose out on pay, but in the same vein, the AMs and above were part of the problem, and still are so... I don't feel too bad for them.

Its the branch staff that are getting hosed and then getting screamed at by pissed students... You can BET that no AM or above even SEES a student. The one in my old branch would pull people out of the sales booth JUST to avoid answering the phone... hmmm... isn't SALES your KEY priority??? Money in and all that... Nah!!! that phone might actually be work, avoid it!!!
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Unread post by sampler » Fri Apr 18, 2008 8:51 am

Stick-Swinging Incident wrote: Kinda sucks that the branch staff are getting shafted again, since they were the first to lose out on pay, ....SNIP...Its the branch staff that are getting hosed and then getting screamed at by pissed students...
It's tragic that these people have been unable to get alternative employment within the last six months. The Nova name blighted them and now the G:Com name will have to be scrawled on their resume --- a double punch.

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Re: The End of G.com Thread

Unread post by Mogura » Fri Apr 18, 2008 9:31 am

Japandy wrote:A couple of interesting snippets from the front page:

TO ALL STAFF
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 19:38.

To: All Staff

Otsukaresama desu.

Recently, G.education has recorded a loss of 470 million yen in both the
months of March and February 2008.

As a result, the company is in a difficult situation and regretfully we
have no choice but to ask all the employees of G.education to take a
salary cut as a matter of collective responsibility.

Chairman Inayoshi had wanted to avoid such action, but if the company
did not take this course the company would not be able to continue
running as a business.

We need to get through this difficult situation in March and April. We
need to show profits until the business situation becomes stable.

Mr. Inayoshi made a difficult decision in asking all employees to
understand the need for cuts in salaries. As the Chairman of the company

Mr. Inayoshi bears responsibility for the unsuccessful sales results and
as a consequence Mr. Inayoshi has decided not to take a salary for
himself for one year.

The following decision has been made:

New salaries starting from April 1 2008 (May 5th payment)

笆 For all G. Education Staff

[Head Office Staff] Position: Will alter 2 ranks down

[Managers] Salary reductions will be carried out

[Branch Staff] Position : Will alter 1 rank down

Should you not be able to accept this reduction in your salary, you have
the option of maintaining the same salary for April and being dismissed
as an employee at the end of April. In this case, your last working day
will be 31st March 2008 and you will finish employment on 30th April 2008.

And:

Banks withdraw lifeline again
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 18:28.

As we heard 6 weeks ago the bank that were giving G-com a line of credit said they wouldn't anymore unless significant progress was made.

So G-com went on a cost cutting spree to prove to these institutions that they could make it into the black. The result was that these credit organizations agreed to extend the deadline. We saw the end of FP as a result and further cuts to teacher numbers even in busy branches where complaints are now becoming increasingly common. On top of that staff members salaries were cut.

However, after what I am told was a very very disappointing March and an even more disappointing first half to April, these institutions have once again cut off g-com's line of credit. GC had made an attempt to imply a profit in a couple of newspaper articles circulated among the staff however it seems that this was just so much spin and the truth is somewhat different to the public relations face they are putting on.

I got this from my AM.
Can't guess at what it could mean in the long run though.
If this is true, everyone should walk off the job like they did several months ago (not quit, just refuse to work). G.comm is at a precarious stage right now, and and all-employee strike would be the deathblow.

And don't expect the General Union to swoop in, take charge, and save the day. When going into battle, no one ever says, "Send in the clowns..."

Could someone post a scan of the fax showing signatures? The media may be watching...
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Re: The End of G.com Thread

Unread post by exUsagiCoalMiner » Fri Apr 18, 2008 9:35 am

off topic, but nice new avatar Mogs!
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Re: The End of G.com Thread

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sampler wrote:It's tragic that these people have been unable to get alternative employment within the last six months. The Nova name blighted them and now the G:Com name will have to be scrawled on their resume --- a double punch.
If you can't find a different job after 6 months... yikes.

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[quote][If this is true, everyone should walk off the job like they did several months ago (not quit, just refuse to work). G.comm is at a precarious stage right now, and and all-employee strike would be the deathblow.
/quote]

As far as I know that's actually illegal and the company could sue for disruption of business.

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Unread post by Mogura » Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:21 am

thedeli wrote:
Mogura wrote:If this is true, everyone should walk off the job like they did several months ago (not quit, just refuse to work). G.comm is at a precarious stage right now, and and all-employee strike would be the deathblow.
As far as I know that's actually illegal and the company could sue for disruption of business.
Assuming that you are correct, everyone could just go on sick leave. Problem solved.

While the company could sue individuals for disruption of business, it will never happen. There are several reasons why this is so. First of all, they would have to initiate a case against each individual. That would mean thousands of separate cases (there is no centralized body or organization so they can't go the route of class action.). They would have to pay legal fees up front. The legal fees would be much higher than any amount they could ever hope to recover. They would have to prove damages--very difficult to do, and extremely difficult given the poor business decisions they themselves have made--how would the court know that the company just didn't go bankrupt out of its well-publicized snafus? By the time the case goes to trial (years later) G.com won't even be around, and neither will be the individuals being sued...
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Re: The End of G.com Thread

Unread post by iwanttomakeitwork » Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:23 am

thedeli wrote:
[If this is true, everyone should walk off the job like they did several months ago (not quit, just refuse to work). G.comm is at a precarious stage right now, and and all-employee strike would be the deathblow.
/quote]

As far as I know that's actually illegal and the company could sue for disruption of business.
Refusing to work is NOT illegal. Can you friggin imagine if that were true??!!

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Unread post by Ziggy » Fri Apr 18, 2008 3:19 pm

Apparently today at the Labour Comission G-ed had to show up due to the complaint filed against them by the General Union. Sakamoto was there whining that G-ed only had 65,000 students and had no money.
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Unread post by thedeli » Sat Apr 19, 2008 12:50 am

Mogura wrote:
thedeli wrote:
Mogura wrote:If this is true, everyone should walk off the job like they did several months ago (not quit, just refuse to work). G.comm is at a precarious stage right now, and and all-employee strike would be the deathblow.
As far as I know that's actually illegal and the company could sue for disruption of business.
Assuming that you are correct, everyone could just go on sick leave. Problem solved.

While the company could sue individuals for disruption of business, it will never happen. There are several reasons why this is so. First of all, they would have to initiate a case against each individual. That would mean thousands of separate cases (there is no centralized body or organization so they can't go the route of class action.). They would have to pay legal fees up front. The legal fees would be much higher than any amount they could ever hope to recover. They would have to prove damages--very difficult to do, and extremely difficult given the poor business decisions they themselves have made--how would the court know that the company just didn't go bankrupt out of its well-publicized snafus? By the time the case goes to trial (years later) G.com won't even be around, and neither will be the individuals being sued...

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Re: The End of G.com Thread

Unread post by InTheColdLightOfDay » Sun Apr 20, 2008 1:31 am

Stick-Swinging Incident wrote: You can BET that no AM or above even SEES a student. The one in my old branch would pull people out of the sales booth JUST to avoid answering the phone... hmmm... isn't SALES your KEY priority??? Money in and all that... Nah!!! that phone might actually be work, avoid it!!!
That's probably for the best. The Japanese AM used to work at my old branch occasionally and had a very nasty habit of taking reservations, then not bothering to write it down anywhere or telling anyone at all. It was all too common to go out to a lesson and find at least 1 extra student in the class. Or worse, have the staff come in to the staff room 5-10 minutes in to your "free" and tell you that your student was waiting for you... :shock: :evil:
Especially annoying as, no matter how much you try to explain what really happened, you know that most students are going to assume that you're the one who fucked up.
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InTheColdLightOfDay wrote: Especially annoying as, no matter how much you try to explain what really happened, you know that most students are going to assume that you're the one who fucked up.
If that kind of thing happens I ask the staff member concerned to come in and explain, otherwise you`re left with the short end of the stick.
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InTheColdLightOfDay wrote:
Stick-Swinging Incident wrote: You can BET that no AM or above even SEES a student. The one in my old branch would pull people out of the sales booth JUST to avoid answering the phone... hmmm... isn't SALES your KEY priority??? Money in and all that... Nah!!! that phone might actually be work, avoid it!!!
That's probably for the best. The Japanese AM used to work at my old branch occasionally and had a very nasty habit of taking reservations, then not bothering to write it down anywhere or telling anyone at all. It was all too common to go out to a lesson and find at least 1 extra student in the class. Or worse, have the staff come in to the staff room 5-10 minutes in to your "free" and tell you that your student was waiting for you... :shock: :evil:
Especially annoying as, no matter how much you try to explain what really happened, you know that most students are going to assume that you're the one who fucked up.
You mean explain to the student? Actually, you could take a copy of your printed schedule and show it to the student. If you have access to the computer look for the button that says something like 当日予約。。。. That will call up a screen that indicates same day reservations. Keep harassing the staff to tell you if there have been any additions. Nowadays we get people signing in for a lesson one minute before the bell rings.

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Unread post by Stick-Swinging Incident » Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:37 pm

If you get a free... it might be a good idea to grab some tissues and get OUT of the office.

Then once they realize there is a pissed off student, you are outside handing out tissues... they can deal with the student AND come running to get you.

(but take a pic of the schedule with your mobile phone just for proof, cause you KNOW they will blame YOU for it.)
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Unread post by Hollis Brown » Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:49 pm

...alternatively, get the fuck out of dodge and go and work for a good company where shit like this isn't even an issue.

Seriously people. Come on.
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Unread post by InTheColdLightOfDay » Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:15 pm

This was at old Nova. Not Neo-Nova. Just a general comment about AMs not doing anything, not really related to G-com specifically.
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Re: The End of G.com Thread

Unread post by sampler » Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:20 pm

Today G:Com posted info about new schools-----they photoshopped them .....badly

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Unread post by Examination_Hell » Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:42 pm

sampler wrote:Today G:Com posted info about new schools-----they photoshopped them .....badly

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Unread post by sampler » Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:25 pm

2008/4/28 OPEN!

They have updated the page I linked above and they are now apparently in possession of a time-machine.

I think that have gone delirious and are just having a laugh now.

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