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Unread post by Squidhead » Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:46 am

NONE of you will get UI , unless you are willing to hang around and bang your heads against the wall for awhile - regardless of whatever you have been promised . Your health insurance or any new visa's likely won't come throught , either . This situation is too well known and you don't coun't in the electorate . It's all a fart in the dark ...

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Unread post by locutis » Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:04 am

Squidhead wrote:NONE of you will get UI , unless you are willing to hang around and bang your heads against the wall for awhile - regardless of whatever you have been promised . Your health insurance or any new visa's likely won't come throught , either . This situation is too well known and you don't coun't in the electorate . It's all a fart in the dark ...
Wow,that was amazing;I did'nt think they'd ever be able to prove the case for retroactive abortion,but you've done it-congrats!
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Unread post by boom boom 331 » Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:16 pm

on another note.

visited the shinjuku hello work office that
has set up a task force with translators to aid in the
process of filling claims and getting your hello work card.

as far as UI, they too said that if you quit for any reason at this
point that it is still YOUR choice to leave, therefore you have
to wait 3 months to get benefits. the 2 months late payment didnt really
come into play. NO GURANTEE

has anyone actually filed the no pay 2 months claim and gotten
instant UI??

you can call in tokyo and get assistance in english
03 3204 8621

the one thing they said we can do while waiting is to file a claim
for the unpaid wages with the osaka labor bureau. they will send a fax,
that must be filled out ant sent back.
06 6344 1135

fax 06 6949 6034

i requested the fax, but it didnt come back yet.

all they said is wait, a MONTH and see what happens, they
didnt believe the 10 days that NOVA has said, because the GOVT gave
them one month.
its now only a matter
of WHAT is to come NEXT.

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Unread post by locutis » Tue Oct 30, 2007 1:53 am

Well.you have to have not been paid twice-that&the company shuttering the schools are grounds enough-any pay not recieved on the 15th/14th is considered missed,as it was.
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Unread post by subprime » Tue Oct 30, 2007 9:06 pm

justdontgo wrote:I was told on a number of occasions that we don't need our unemployment card and just our number. Now I am hearing different. Does anybody really know? Payroll section at nova is not answering their phones

When I went into Hello Work today they needed my name and birthday to verify my status with unimployment insurance. But I also had my card, so they didn't need it anyway.

Ideally you want as much as you can get, but I really recommend you contact Hello Work and ask them directly. Ultimately THEY will be the ones processing UI so they will know what you do and don't need and what you can do in the event of not having something.

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Unread post by sadpanda » Wed Oct 31, 2007 4:17 pm

PaisleyLove wrote:I hav some questions about these seperation papers that we need from Nova to aply for/receive unemployment benefits: If I request these papers from Nova now, is it the same as quitting? Do we have to wait until Nova goes bacnkrupt, or after we decide to quit to get them. I'd like to apply for the UI insurance ASAP.

I'm sorry if this has been covered already. Thanks.
They are separation papers. You can not get them unless you.. separate from the company aka resign.

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Unread post by locutis » Wed Oct 31, 2007 4:43 pm

PaisleyLove wrote:I hav some questions about these seperation papers that we need from Nova to aply for/receive unemployment benefits: If I request these papers from Nova now, is it the same as quitting? Do we have to wait until Nova goes bacnkrupt, or after we decide to quit to get them. I'd like to apply for the UI insurance ASAP.



I'm sorry if this has been covered already. Thanks.
You put in your resignation(Fax,registered mail etc.)making sure your clearly stated reasons for this are the companies non-payment or late payment of wages&filing for bankruptcy protection,using either the nova forms(I'm trying to get em,scan em n put em up if anyone else has em/can do that) OR just put it in writing,making sure you give reasons,say you are staying in japan&want your salry/salaries deposited as normal if&when they can be(the union is pushing for streamlining &acceleration of their issuance of Rishoku-Hyo,separation papers,)
ALWAYS keep copies,fax/reg.mail reciepts etc.You may also start the ball rolling by going to hello work directly-Umeda Osaka or main Tokyo branch have special counters-otherwise go to your ward office&find out your nearest one from them/applicable one-you are usually sent a form from nova to sign first but this may not be possible right now,go over it with HellWrk ppl.
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Unread post by jakejones » Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:46 am

These forms are online;

Resignation
Final Salary Payment
Termination of Sublease

http://www.nova.ne.jp/information/forms-requested.html

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Unread post by JapaneseIdol » Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:26 pm

I went to Hello Work today and they told me that if I want to resign now I can go ahead and start collecting UI after the 10 waiting period. However, they were unclear about when I would recieve the first check. She told me that you do not recieve it when when you start but at some point after. She told me that if I were to recieve my separation papers in a few days and then wait the 10 days and start the benefits sometime in mid November I might recieve money at the end of November. But she couldn't tell me if a two week or so wait is standard or what. Does anyone know?

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Unread post by SamhainP8 » Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:15 pm

PaisleyLove wrote: Thanks a lot. Does anyone know if quitting forfeits our ability to get government reembursement of 80% of our wages now that Nova is under government protection?

Thanks again.
Why would it? :huh:
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Unread post by locutis » Thu Nov 01, 2007 9:54 pm

[quote="

Thanks a lot. Does anyone know if quitting forfeits our ability to get government reembursement of 80% of our wages now that Nova is under government protection?

Thanks again.[/quote]
Your welcome,hope you get a result-the "Miharai-Chingin No Tatekaebarai Seido"(Wage protection Fund) covers wages lost in a bankruptcy:if a new company doesn't take over&bankruptcy assets after taxes&utilities are'nt sufficient to pay wages,it kicks in:So it does'nt matter if you stay,quit or return home,as long as the reciever gets your details.Lets hope they go after the equally guilty directors (i.e. Glandless Lungfish;I'm sure Castle Lungfish had a fully appointed dungeon,too)
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Unread post by ex_sensei » Sat Nov 03, 2007 10:53 am

Nova failure: Can teachers recoup lost pay, keep jobs?
JAPAN TIMES

When Japan's largest employer of foreigners effectively went bankrupt last week, thousands of instructors at the foreign-language school giant were left without jobs. Many now face complicated legal problems in a language not their own.

What will happen to Nova Corp., their contracts and the money they are owed? Will they be able to collect unemployment and insurance benefits? Is this the end of Nova? Following are some answers to those questions:

What exactly is the situation at Nova Corp.?

Since Nova filed for protection on Oct. 26 under the Corporate Rehabilitation Law, all its assets became protected from claims by creditors, including its employees.

Nova's executives were removed from management and replaced by two court-appointed trustees — lawyers Toshiaki Higashibata and Noriaki Takahashi. The trustees are looking for a company to sponsor Nova's rehabilitation and hope to draw up a rebuilding plan by around month's end.

If the court OKs the plan, Nova will try to resume business after it is carried out.

What if the trustees cannot find a sponsor?

The company will likely be liquidated, which means all of Nova's assets will be divided among its creditors and the company will cease to exist.

Higashibata said Tuesday that Nova was negotiating with "several" companies and hoped to decide on a sponsor by the end of next week.

Is liquidation a real possibility?

Observers say yes. The trustees initially cited four major firms as possible candidates, but all appear reluctant to sponsor Nova, given its huge liabilities and low cash reserves.

Students have paid at least ¥40 billion in advance lesson fees, and that sum is part of Nova's liabilities.

If a sponsor emerges and Nova manages to reorganize, what will happen to the contracts the teachers signed?

It will all depend on the rehabilitation plan drawn up by the trustees and any sponsor.

During rehabilitation, the size of a company and its workforce are often reduced, and the conditions of the remaining employees' contracts are often changed to help it rebuild.

"Of course we have no choice but to close unprofitable branches in a prompt manner, after due consideration," the trustees said in a written statement on Nova's Web site.

According to the Labor Standards Law, a company has the right to fire workers "if there are rational reasons and it does not violate socially accepted norms."

Dismissing workers as part of a rehabilitation plan would probably be justified under that condition, said officials at the Shinjuku Employment Assistance and Instruction Center for Foreigners in Tokyo's Kabukicho district.

Many teachers haven't been paid for months. How can they get their money?

According to the employment assistance center, most of the Nova teachers who have come to them say wages haven't been paid for two months.

The job center's first piece of advice is to wait and see whether the trustees can find a sponsor company, and whether the court will approve a rehabilitation plan.

If rehabilitation starts with a proper sponsor and the court's approval, all unpaid wages are usually paid out by the company — eventually. Payment of unpaid wages usually gets higher priority under the law than other general liabilities, including refunds for unused lesson tickets.

Even if Nova liquidates, the government-backed Japan Labor Health and Welfare Organization will guarantee payment of around 80 percent of any wages left unpaid by a failed company.

The employment assistance center advises Nova workers to keep updating their contact addresses so they can receive notices on unpaid wages and other important documents.

How can Nova teachers apply for unemployment insurance?

First, check your pay slip to see if you're covered. Premiums — if any — deducted for unemployment insurance would appear on the slip.

In order to get benefits, however, you must have worked for at least six months at Nova.

If you voluntarily quit the company and don't take another job, you can start receiving benefits three months after registering your unemployed status at a local Public Employment Security Office, commonly referred to as Hello Work.

If you are forced to quit or if wages are not paid for more than two months, you can start receiving benefits in as few as seven days after acquiring jobless status. To apply for the benefits, workers need to submit two kinds of unemployment slips from the company to prove they have work records, as well as an ID card, a "hanko" (personal seal), two photos and bank account information. In lieu of a hanko, signatures are usually accepted.

Will it be difficult to get a job at another language school if I can't speak Japanese?

According to the employment assistance center, this may be the case. Most Nova teachers have a one-year work visa for a Specialist in Humanities/International Services.

Most jobs available in this category, including English-teaching jobs, require a certain level of Japanese skill, some qualifications or other special skills, the center said.

The Shinjuku job office thus generally recommends that Nova teachers who cannot speak Japanese consider returning to their home countries for the moment because their visas could expire before they can find a new job in Japan.

The Shinjuku Employment Assistance and Instruction Center for Foreigners offers counseling for Nova employees and has interpreters and experts on hand. The phone number is (03) 3204-8621.
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Unread post by subprime » Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:38 pm

I just wanted to say for those kids waiting on rishokuhyo papers that after quitting on the 31st I received mine yesterday. When I quit I was very explicit in my paperwork that I expected it within the legal timeframe (ten days) and that I would be a bulldog until I got it and called to ask foreign personnel how I should proceed and said they'd pass the word along that it was urgent.

If you're still waiting on papers and it has been more than ten days I strongly recommend calling foreign personnel and explaining the situation. My feeling is in most cases rishokuhyo's are being delayed because payroll sees no notification that they're urgent to send out, assuming the person has left the country or is not in need of them and has set them on the "can wait" pile instead of the "bulldog will bite your ass" pile.


I'm gonna check my bank account to see if my other "per the law please pay my salary within 7 days" request has been followed but I'm not holding my breath. Hahahaha.

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Unread post by turtle » Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:35 am

Found this on the front page under comments.

UI etc.
Submitted by soon broke (not verified) on Wed, 11/07/2007 - 08:49.
Okay, let me just try to clear a few things up for y'all! Talked to Hello Work and then went down to the branch office. The back wages....eventually we will get 80% but Hello Work doesn't deal with that at all. The trustees do.

Big news for those looking at unemployment insurance....ALL NOVA INSTRUCTORS are now eligible. It DOES NOT matter if you were paid on time in September or not. Due to the company's situation, ALL instructors can apply now. Also, it seems to not really matter what the seperation papers say, though no doubt they will refer to the current situation being the reason, especially if you request that they do so. There is NO three month wait. My advice, stop reading the internet for a few minutes and drag yourself to your local Hello Work to get the straight, honest answers.

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Unread post by details » Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:13 pm

In my case, I resigned on 10/29 and am still waiting on my separation papers. While the NOVA website states that they will take two weeks as of November 2nd, I recall lots of talk about a government law stating that a company has 10 days to send them to you after you file your resignation.

I called Hello Work and asked about this after being told by Nova there was nothing I could do. The lady at the Osaka information office told me the same thing - I have to wait until I receive these papers to file for UI, but there's nothing they can do to make Nova move faster.

Are there any alternatives anybody can recommend aside from sitting on my hands and waiting for this one sheet of paper that allows me to possibly pay next month's rent?

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Unread post by locutis » Wed Nov 14, 2007 3:13 am

the Trustee has assured people (just about everyone)that he will get more staff working at head office to process those forms,as ever,phoning to check they have the resignation&perhaps re-sending it(making sure you clearly state that it is re-sent so they don't run around trying to send you the same form twice) if it seems necessary are the first steps.
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Unread post by boom boom 331 » Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:08 pm

IMPORTANT ! ! !

according to BOTH hello work and the OLD nova,
you need to resign from the OLD nova if you want
to receive UI benefits.

the forms are online and can be faxed to osaka
06 7688 0404

and tokyo

03 3688 4442

just another wrench thrown into the gears.

the resignation forms signed at the meeting the other
day, were only for those that wanted to work for
g-com.

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
its now only a matter
of WHAT is to come NEXT.

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Unread post by redtape07 » Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:13 pm

Sorry if this has already been mentioned but I encountered yet another hurdle at Hello Work today. After sitting through the 2 hour seminar, I took my 'rishokuhyo' to the desk and was told that the information sent by payroll was 'incomplete' and would further delay calculation and therefore payment of the benefits....
I resigned in early November. The section in the rishokuhyo where the last 6 months of salary has to be written doesn't have an amount for the period October 1-31st due to the fact that it all went tits up on the 26th. However without this, they can't calculate payments accurately. I was told the only way to get the figures would be through the trustees who in turn can only be contacted by the main Hello Work in Osaka who will then get back to my local HW.
This process will 'take time' but nobody could tell me how long exactly. Ironically the incomplete document had already been inspected and stamped by HW Osaka 2 weeks earlier-so they basically sent it knowing full well it didn't meet the requirements needed to actually pay out any cash. It's a good thing I'm not paranoid or I'd think someone, somewhere was pulling out every stop to ensure I never see a yen.....I'm guessing my case isn't unique so I just want to warn people in similar situations about this latest setback.

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Unread post by Monkeynuts » Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:24 pm

Based on all the various goings on over the last few months I am not surprised to hear this. Let's hope this is only a oneoff. Good luck with your claim.
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Unread post by boom boom 331 » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:09 pm

redtape07 wrote:Sorry if this has already been mentioned but I encountered yet another hurdle at Hello Work today. After sitting through the 2 hour seminar, I took my 'rishokuhyo' to the desk and was told that the information sent by payroll was 'incomplete' and would further delay calculation and therefore payment of the benefits....
I resigned in early November. The section in the rishokuhyo where the last 6 months of salary has to be written doesn't have an amount for the period October 1-31st due to the fact that it all went tits up on the 26th. However without this, they can't calculate payments accurately. I was told the only way to get the figures would be through the trustees who in turn can only be contacted by the main Hello Work in Osaka who will then get back to my local HW.
This process will 'take time' but nobody could tell me how long exactly. Ironically the incomplete document had already been inspected and stamped by HW Osaka 2 weeks earlier-so they basically sent it knowing full well it didn't meet the requirements needed to actually pay out any cash. It's a good thing I'm not paranoid or I'd think someone, somewhere was pulling out every stop to ensure I never see a yen.....I'm guessing my case isn't unique so I just want to warn people in similar situations about this latest setback.
i had this same problem. i had put in my paper work, and when i got my
my official daily wage from the hello work people, it was a measly
3700 yen a day. the lowest possible they allow. the reason being, that
the salary info was missing from the last 2 months, and that
made all sorts of problems.

i called the help nova help desk in tokyo, talk to them. they talked to
the labor bureau, who in turn talked to my hello work office. hello
work called me and told me that my rate will be adjusted
by my next meeting. up to 5000 something a day.

you need to POLITELY raise hell. no yelling and screaming, just
be persistent, and call the people again and again if needed.
they helped straighten it out.
its now only a matter
of WHAT is to come NEXT.

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Unread post by redtape07 » Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:16 am

Thanks to monkeynuts and boomboom for the advice and good wishes. They did re-adjust it to around 5300/day but that was done using the past 5 months, not the full 6 of course. It's just so frustrating that even when we bring all the necessary paperwork-it still isn't enough.
I mean, I had my bankbook right there with months and months of salary deposits-when I suggested they just do an estimate, they said 'there's no way we could do that' as if it was the stangest thing they've ever heard! Surely the amount they hand out in benefits is some sort of 'estimate' of what they think the average person of a certain age needs to get by anyway?
As you know, the first deposit is only for a 15 day period anyway, the first amount they showed me was 24,000 yen! Even with the new amount, the next month will be a struggle but I guess we're all experts at scraping by now!

I have one more question for boom boom331: Have you already attended a HW appointment when they ask you to fill in the paper about your job hunting activities? What kind of proof did they require to show you've been looking? Thanks.

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Unread post by boom boom 331 » Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:30 pm

redtape07 wrote:Thanks to monkeynuts and boomboom for the advice and good wishes. They did re-adjust it to around 5300/day but that was done using the past 5 months, not the full 6 of course. It's just so frustrating that even when we bring all the necessary paperwork-it still isn't enough.
I mean, I had my bankbook right there with months and months of salary deposits-when I suggested they just do an estimate, they said 'there's no way we could do that' as if it was the stangest thing they've ever heard! Surely the amount they hand out in benefits is some sort of 'estimate' of what they think the average person of a certain age needs to get by anyway?
As you know, the first deposit is only for a 15 day period anyway, the first amount they showed me was 24,000 yen! Even with the new amount, the next month will be a struggle but I guess we're all experts at scraping by now!


I have one more question for boom boom331: Have you already attended a HW appointment when they ask you to fill in the paper about your job hunting activities? What kind of proof did they require to show you've been looking? Thanks.
i was told the first pay period for me was 7 days. i have to go back
next week for another session, and the readjusted payment.

first full one will be in early jan.

i havent filled out that paper work yet,
but from what i understand. they want name of co, address, and number
and according to the guide, newspapers and internet dosent really
count. so you have to use thier system too. even though most
the jobs on there arent really up to snuff.
its now only a matter
of WHAT is to come NEXT.

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Unread post by redtape07 » Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:28 pm

boom boom 331 wrote:i was told the first pay period for me was 7 days. i have to go back
next week for another session, and the readjusted payment.

first full one will be in early jan.

i havent filled out that paper work yet,
but from what i understand. they want name of co, address, and number
and according to the guide, newspapers and internet dosent really
count. so you have to use thier system too. even though most
the jobs on there arent really up to snuff.
Cheers, it seems we're all being given slightly different info depending on where we are/who we speak to. I was told it was 15 days at first and then 28 thereafter. The readjustment would be done automatically.
Btw, I spoke to Shinjuku HW English helpline earlier and they said regarding proof of jobhunting, there is a 'special provision' for ex-Nova people in that showing them internet applications/emails/newspapers is accetable but the minimum amount of either applications/rejections/interview appointments needed to keep getting the benefits is two. They also said that if they give you any hassle at your HW, you should just call Shinjuku right there and then and pass them the phone. Got a feeling, I'll be needing to do that with my local office :roll:
In a further test of my paranoia, I got on the train after doing a private lesson the other afternoon and right behind me was.....the guy behind the counter at my local Hello Work! Ouch! :shock:

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Unread post by boom boom 331 » Mon Dec 10, 2007 6:11 pm

returned from my hello work today.
the re adjusted my daily UI wage, and the first 1 week
will be deposited on monday. and the first full month
will be deposited in the middle of next month.
it took only 30 minuted, and the case worker asked
a few questions...

relatively painless, quite surprised.

:shock: :shock: :shock:
its now only a matter
of WHAT is to come NEXT.

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Unread post by redtape07 » Wed Dec 12, 2007 10:51 am

boom boom 331 wrote:returned from my hello work today.
the re adjusted my daily UI wage, and the first 1 week
will be deposited on monday. and the first full month
will be deposited in the middle of next month.
it took only 30 minuted, and the case worker asked
a few questions...

relatively painless, quite surprised.

:shock: :shock: :shock:
sounds like it went ok. got my first meeting on Friday-any chance of letting me know what kind of questions they asked you? Did you show proof of job hunting activities? Thanks

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Unread post by boom boom 331 » Wed Dec 12, 2007 11:18 am

redtape07 wrote:
boom boom 331 wrote:returned from my hello work today.
the re adjusted my daily UI wage, and the first 1 week
will be deposited on monday. and the first full month
will be deposited in the middle of next month.
it took only 30 minuted, and the case worker asked
a few questions...

relatively painless, quite surprised.

:shock: :shock: :shock:
sounds like it went ok. got my first meeting on Friday-any chance of letting me know what kind of questions they asked you? Did you show proof of job hunting activities? Thanks
only proof, i told them the 2 companies i interviewed with, one is
a PT that starts next year, and they also want to know if have
worked any hours since they gave you the form to fill out.
its now only a matter
of WHAT is to come NEXT.

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Re: Question! Please Answer!

Unread post by redtape07 » Sun Dec 16, 2007 12:42 pm

azabufan wrote:I am going back home for XMAS and just received my Rishokusho in the mail. I can wait until the new year to visit hello work and still be able to collect benefits is that correct? Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated thank you
I would imagine so. but who knows with them?! I think 'boom boom 331' is the person to ask-he seems to know his stuff! I do know that when I was filling in the paperwork, there was a section where the date of resignation had to be entered but I'd guess that was more for records rather than anything to do with payments.
One word of warning though, do make sure you've got plenty to live on if you do come back and start the process-they don't believe in rushing anything along :roll:
My whole process was:
Nov 10th resignation
Nov 22nd start paperwork
Dec 4th attend seminar
Dec 14th-first official meeting
Dec 21st-first bank transfer of cash (only 15 days worth as it's the first one)

Good luck and enjoy Christmas at home-I envy you!

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Re: Question! Please Answer!

Unread post by subprime » Thu Dec 20, 2007 2:07 am

azabufan wrote:I am going back home for XMAS and just received my Rishokusho in the mail. I can wait until the new year to visit hello work and still be able to collect benefits is that correct? Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated thank you

You are allowed to claim unemployment up to six months I believe after the incident.

so yes, no problem.

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Unread post by Masked Rider » Thu Dec 20, 2007 7:53 am

Just got some junk in the mail from Nova a couple days ago that's ambiguously labeled, "About [The certificate of intended persons of support for reemployment]". Did they have one of the 7B students translate this thing? Or just string random words together from the dictionary? Fortunately I can actually read the Japanese much better than the English (if you want to call it that), but since I only worked there for three months I don't think it applies to me. Another day, and more bullshit from Nova. What a fucking joke that company was (and probably still is). I stopped caring back in October.

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Unread post by Hello Worker » Tue Dec 25, 2007 1:32 pm

Does anyone have an update on what the average benefit per day has been or is going to be for ex Nova instructors who took their seperation papers into Hello Work during the last 10 - 15days?

I know age/time served/salary etc come into play but has anyone been very disappointed or perhaps pleasantly surprised?

My case worker was extremely helpful last week when I applied for benefits but stopped short of giving me even a ball park figure. "Calculations have to made".

I just had a feeling that it might be a little higher for those whose papers are marked unemployed due to bankruptcy as opposed to those who quit in Oct/Nov.

I also got the impression from my case worker at Hello Work that relations between Nova/G Com personnel and Hello Work are kind of strained at the moment. He kind of hinted that because his co workers had been very busy in late Nov/early Dec helping instructors track down and get incomplete paperwork and forms from Nova/G Com.

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