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Nichii Gakkan Buys Gaba

As reported in the Nihon Keizai Shimbun and ELT News, Nichii Gakkan, a medical and educational services company, will purchase Gaba's stock and make it a wholly-owned subsidiary:

Nichii Gakkan, a medical / education business has confirmed that it intends to purchase shares of the English conversation school chain Gaba in an attempt to bolster its education business. The company plans to spend up to 10 billion yen (around 127 million dollars) to make Gaba a wholly owned subsidiary. Nichii said it will buy at least the 26,390 shares owned by Gaba's main shareholder, Daiwa Corporate Investment Co. It set no maximum number of shares that it will purchase.

The offer price of 200,000 yen per share is a 53% premium over Friday's close. The board of Gaba, a company listed on the Mothers section of the Tokyo Stock Exchange, has agreed to the move.

Or if you're interested in an alternate title, "Gaba cashes in its chips." I think if I were offered a 53% premium on shares that are worth less than half of their initial value in a moribund industry, I'd be tempted to get rid of them.

This bit caught my eye:

Even though its offerings have expanded beyond its mainstay preparatory courses for medical and nursing licenses, it is still struggling. The firm expects the Gaba brand to help it win contracts for corporate English training and to expand its online offerings."

A look at Nichii Gakkan's English lessons shows that they offer the standard range of TOEIC lessons and survival English for travelers. Moreover, it looks like the lessons are presented in some sort of e-learning Flash format with cheap-looking animations. I wonder what the attraction is given who widespread ultra-cheap lessons via Skype are these days?

What value does Nichii Gakkan see in the Gaba brand? Is it really that strong? What know-how does Gaba have other than its list of business clients, and is it worth paying 10 billion yen for that? One wonders...

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I was pretty surprised this morning when I saw Gaba stock regainning much of its value. Since its IPO I never thought this would happen; in fact, I firmly believed that the stock was headed for penny stock status - where it duely belongs. I then thought about why any intelligent, thinking person, persons, or institutions would want to purchase worthless shares of a worthless company. It's quite perplexing that anyone could extract any kind of value from this deal. Of course, in the world of finance-capitalism this is just another acquisition among many - big fish eating small fish over and over again - so I guess we'll have to just leave it there.

Wonder no longer. Here are just a few reasons that Nichii Gakkan may have considered when buying out Gaba. Just some food for thought.

- Although the eikaiwa industry was in a downturn after Nova's collapse, things have begun to turn around because the demand has bounced back. With major Japanese companies, such as Rakuten, Uniqlo and others, starting initiatives to have English-only office culture and the increased necessity for Japanese companies to seek clients overseas due to a flailing domestic economy, the need for English education has been on the rise. I, personally, don't think the market for eikaiwa students is going anywhere soon and, perhaps, neither does Nichii Gakkan.

- Related to that, education is a high priority in Japan, and therefore, the education industry is too. It is sustainable and it has longevity, as does medicine and elderly care. These are Nichii Gakkan's two main services. Even not knowing much about this company, I wouldn't say they are betting on the wrong horses.

- If Nichi Gakkan had been looking to operate an eikaiwa, what better way than to take the reigns of one already in business. I can't speak for the premium that they settled on, but the deal must be costing them much less than the expense of starting up a new eikaiwa chain from scratch... especially in such a competitive and over-saturated industry.

An aside: one might say that foreign English instructors have become hard to come by since the 3-11 disaster. I can see a lot of benefit in taking on Gaba, current staff and all, as opposed to starting one's own English school and hoping you can cast out your net and get enough instructors or create a model that can successfully attract, train and manage them, let alone have the know-how to work with them. It may be better to Go Fish by drawing your hand from the cards that are already present.

You're a very optimistic person. So are these people, I guess. However, as an outsider from Gaba's business, I would have thought the MXM set up that they have is not really what the corporate sector particularly wants or is willing to pay for when it comes to services in Language education. Niether is the "make it up as you go along" style employed by most of the teachers who work for Gaba. OK, there might be a few top of the tree exec types who like that style, but for employees?

Gaba is essentially a retail business with a somewhat average product relative to the prices they charge, and that's not what the corporate sector is after.

Yeah. I think that 'bewildered' is on the money here. I smell scam. Someone wants to offload the rest of their shares at a more attractive price.

I worked at a GABA once. It was like battery hen farm English teaching - a complete FREAK SHOW. I was even lied to by management (shock, horror!) The only good thing was that I got to know some really cool English teachers, from Russia, The Philippines, India, Guatemala, Thailand, Indonesia, Sweden, etc. Still I hope to see the day this company gets flushed into the bowl of eikaiwa history!

P.S. GABA teachers are so cool, they pay for their own transport!

it clearly means you are Uri Carnat, masquerading as Mackorello. But don't get too comfy, because big, dirty secrets about GEOS N/A (does that mean Not Applicable?) will be coming out real soon! Oh Yes!

No, no, no!! My name isn't Uri Geller, and I have never had the alias 'Mackerel'. All I am is some poor sod who once worked for GABA. They made me wear a BLACK SUIT, and I had to use a textbook which made light of a homosexual act in an aircraft toilet! As for the truth coming out (about GEOS or GABA) bring it on! After all I have been through in eikaiwa, I deserve the TRUTH!

"GABA made me wear a BLACK SUIT, and I had to use a textbook which made light of a homosexual act in an aircraft toilet!"

No secret that can ever come out of GEOS Not Applicable will ever top that! Classic! Tell us more.

"GABA made me wear a BLACK SUIT, and I had to use a textbook which made light of a homosexual act in an aircraft toilet!"

No secret that can ever come out of GEOS Not Applicable will ever top that! Classic! Tell us more.

There was a new textbook released in the series. They followed a cartoon story of some young Japanese characters' adventures in foreign lands - quite amusing. One of them was Kei of which there were subtle 'Nancy Boy' references; Kei, Gay, get it? Anyway, Kei is on a plane and gets the hots for some handsome young flight attendant. They enter/emerge (can't remember exactly) TOGETHER from the lavatory.

I think at the time a lot of GABA materials had a writer or writers who were desperate for an outlet saying WE ARE GAY. I remember raising my personal issues with a GABA manger at the time; didn't like how it portrayed GAY DUDES and degraded flight attendants (I'm so f****ing PC). He agreed.

As this was published and released, it is on record and can be verified: I'm not making this sh** up. Thank you for listening 'cause this is heaps cheaper than opening this little door with my analyst.

I think eikaiwa has potential as well.

I mean, the only real expenses are rent and salaries.
And now that it has been revealed that people are willing to work for bare subsistence part-time wages (by GABA! thank you) and Gaba has that same pool of people willing to work for peanuts without even transportation paid! Sounds like a good opportunity.

They just have to avoid the eikaiwa corporation expense traps that lead to bankruptcy.

Don't spend more on advertising than on salaries and rent. (Hint: If you're spending more on advertising per student than that student pays per contract, you're doing it wrong. If the person who authorized this plans keeps their job, you're doing it wrong. If the solution is "We need to spend MORE on advertising." You're NOVA upper management material.)
Try not spending anything on advertising at all, use word of mouth or give student recruitment bonuses.
Don't have a useless cadre of salaried gaijin trainers who teach no lessons.
Don't have a useless cadre of salaried gaijin textbook writers who manage to crank out as much in 1 year as a single person could in 1 week with MS Word, unlimited coffee and motivated by a contract for 500,000 yen. Just sell already-published texts at retail.
Don't have a president siphoning off billions into his own bank account.
Give regular raises to good teachers and try to keep them.
Focus on the kids market.

Seriously. You have to be pretty "special" to LOSE money in this business.

I think what the company is buying is the lease contracts on the properties that GABA has throughout Kantou. It is probably cheaper to buy out GABA than it is to negotiate contracts for those spaces one-by-one.

Those "offensive" textbooks you refer to are no longer in use.
And, at least at my branch, the higher-ups have kept us surprisingly informed. Unlike the bunny which just wanted us to bury our heads in the sand.

Oh come on. Get over it. Those text were all just a bit of fun.

I can well understand the humour may have been a little bit out there but don't you think this is taking things just a little bit too far?

Eikaiwa is a business and the students loved that series.

That's what too many instructors just don't understand. Eikaiwa is a business.

Yes it's an educational business, but it's a business nonetheless.

This is exactly what the people who run these eikaiwa "businesses" just never get. If you are going to run an educational business, then you have to have a balance between monetary objectives on the one hand and educational objectives on the other. If you don't then your business will forever be on shaky ground. You may make hay for a while, but sooner or later you will come a cropper.

'Oh the students love it" Therefore we're gong to do it. This is a business, you know. Those kind of attitudes might work out in the short term, but in the long term you're going nowhere. and it is exactly because the large majority of eikaiwas still (after all the hits they have taken) subscribe to these kinds of attitudes that the industry as a whole is in decline today.

There are possible ways out of the morass. There are pockets of new demand. The problem, however, is that most people in the eikaiwa business simply haven't developed the expertise to take advantage of these opportunities in any more than the same old hit and run way that always seemed to work in the past, but actually didn't.

Private schools and colleges (many of whom have a far better reading on how to balance educational objectives with business objectives than eikawa managers do) are already ahead and doing a better job of meeting these areas of new demand than most eikaiwas could hope to do. This will continue, leaving eikaiwas to competewith all the other culture club charlatans for whatever leftovers remain.

"Oh come on. Get over it. Those text were all just a bit of fun.

I can well understand the humour may have been a little bit out there but don't you think this is taking things just a little bit too far?

Eikaiwa is a business and the students loved that series".

Yeah, I guess you're right. Point taken. At the time (as a GABA employee) I was seething with bitterness, but trying to keep a lid on it. All of those lessons (and the poor work conditions) were starting to do my head in. Guess this "GAY AIRWAYS" trip was just an outlet. I think I may have fallen into the HUGE EIKAIWA TRAP of taking the job seriously.

Thanks for the help.

This is exactly what the people who run these eikaiwa "businesses" just never get. If you are going to run an educational business, then you have to have a balance between monetary objectives on the one hand and educational objectives on the other. If you don't then your business will forever be on shaky ground. You may make hay for a while, but sooner or later you will come a cropper.

It may be different at small eikaiwa schools where one or two people have to do everything, but at the bigger chains one of the main problems is that there are often numerous layers of management between the teachers and the owners, who frequently have no background in education and actually know nothing about the lessons, the materials or even how to speak English. So making a distinction between monetary and financial objectives is really too much to expect from them, as is any kind of coherent and sensible decision-making. The main problem with eikaiwa chains is that the upper management is basically crap.

True. The vast majority of managers at NOVA for example had no degrees, no teaching qualifications, no teaching experience, no management qualifications. Some of them were extremely unprofessional, criticizing and saying rude things about teachers behind their backs, treated all teachers as dishonest cheats (I wonder why that was?), even physically threatening teachers, yet got promoted to manager positions because there were no other better candidates available. And the reason there were no better candidates available was the fact that the bigwigs at the top were a bunch of disreputable, dishonest, criminal bastards whom anyone in their right mind wouldn't want to work for for any longer than was necessary.

If the focus was on educational value, and giving a quality service to customers, these schools wouldn't have grown to the huge proportions that they did, however, they'd last the distance more, albeit on a smaller scale, and would have a happier workforce.

True. The vast majority of managers at NOVA for example had no degrees, no teaching qualifications, no teaching experience, no management qualifications. Some of them were extremely unprofessional, criticizing and saying rude things about teachers behind their backs, treated all teachers as dishonest cheats (I wonder why that was?), even physically threatening teachers, yet got promoted to manager positions because there were no other better candidates available. And the reason there were no better candidates available was the fact that the bigwigs at the top were a bunch of disreputable, dishonest, criminal bastards whom anyone in their right mind wouldn't want to work for for any longer than was necessary.

At least the managers at NOVA actually had direct contact with teachers, students and the products they were selling and were in a position to know what was going on, even if a lot of them didn't do a very good job. The executives, on the other hand, couldn't condescend to be bothered with any of that. They couldn't even speak English most of the time, and if they ever visited schools they'd hang around like aloof, arrogant, unfriendly pricks and not even acknowledge the teachers' existence before pissing off again. Ultimately, it was also the people right at the top who made the disastrous policies that sunk the company.

Yes, the Nova thing was a pretty classic example. Everything they did had to be connected to sales. If the sales are down, then the system has to be changed somehow. If the sales are OK then the system was fine. Whether anybody was learning anything or not was largely irrelevant.

You don't understand Nova, or the basic Eikaiwa business model. In fact, for Eikaiwa to work (well, for most of them), as a matter of fact, sales have to perpetually expand, because lessons are sold, in advance, cheaper than what the cost of delivering them is.

As long as more lessons are being sold than what are actually being delivered then the books "look" OK (meaning, there is surplus money in the bank account).

However, if the company were to report the financial position truthfully, through a proper accountant, and REPORT the actual COST of delivering sold lessons which remain undelivered in the balance sheet, then the company is always in the RED (the company is always, technically bankrupt).

That's why Nova change auditors / accountants (needed to find one who would comply with the illusion of a healthy balance sheet), and engaged in what most call money laundering (setting up sister companies, and buying goods and services from those sister companies at highly inflated prices). That way, they managed to empty out their bank accounts constantly (even though it was actually not the companies money, because the goods (lessons) sold were yet to be taught, and the costs of teaching them, was yet to be deducted from the "reported" balance sheet). Essentially, they spent the student's money, constantly, before providing what had been sold.

This is common practice in Eikaiwa - that's why, they all have sister companies / affiliates, providing them with this, that, the other thing, even though you DON'T NEED to set up your own company / a sister company, to provide stupid stuff, like PC's, books, or stationary. They do it, so they can blunder the cookie jar, and yet it all looks above board - meaning, thus funds removed were legitimate operational costs.

Knowing the above, if you work for these people, then you are part of it.

Hope you feel good about yourself, instructors......

Actually, pretty much do understand that. Getting a balance between educational priorities and monetary priorities would pretty much rule out practices of that nature and necessitate practicesmuch closer to the traditional uni/private school norms.

No, proper accounting practices would identify, that there is no money, at all, if company intends on delivering future lessons already sold, and they would ethically, stop operations, period.

It's a 100% con.

There is no doubt about it.

Japanese consumers, who continue to get sucked in by Eikaiwa sale's staff, selling lessons in advance, are total fools.

Instructors, knowing how the system works, who elect to work at Eikaiwa, are just as guilty as the people running the show.

Yes. Yes. Yes. I am well aware of the outright illegality and/or distincly shady nature of many eikaiwa, particularly Nova and other larger organisations. However, even if this were not the case, that is to say, even in the case of organisations that operated legally, and I assume some of the smaller operations do operate legally and with relative fiscal propriety - even in that case there would still be inherent long term problems for these organisations if they persisted in basing their educational practices for the most part on sales criteria.

Eikaiwa has been going for over 20 years now. They have had huge numbers go through their doors. And yet, for all this turnover, the industry as a whole has made few gains in its understanding of how people can learn languages and contributed nothing to speak of to research in that direction. This shows in the results. Even though for the most part little data is actually kept. Most in the industry are well aware of just how poor the results are, and so at this time are the customers who have been turning away from eikaiwa in droves.

The executives, on the other hand, couldn't condescend to be bothered with any of that. They couldn't even speak English most of the time, and if they ever visited schools they'd hang around like aloof, arrogant, unfriendly pricks and not even acknowledge the teachers' existence before pissing off again.

Shows how eikaiwa generally has nothing to do with English language or education. As said, it's a business and all about making money. Teachers are just more cattle to be brought in and milked for all they're worth.

“As said, it's a business and all about making money”

No, no, no, no, no ! You still don’t get it.

Eikaiwa NEVER makes money. It’s about selling lessons, in advance, at below the cost of teaching / delivering those lessons.

It’s actually about losing money (always), and playing card tricks, scams, and slight of hand, to steal idiot advance fee paying student’s money.

It’s about selling more lessons (at a loss) in advance, than can be taught/delivered, and siphoning that money off (laundering it out), before the lessons become due to be taught / the pigeon comes home to roost.

As long as more lessons are being sold, in advance, than can possibly be taught, then (thus, with many lessons still owed), despite the fact that the company has sold future lessons at BELOW what it costs to teach / deliver them, the bank account looks good (a cash surplus appears in the companies operational account).

But, as far as the total picture goes, it is not really a surplus. If you deduct the cost of the future lessons yet to be taught/delivered, from the bank account balance, then the company is ALWAYS in the red (BANKRUPT).

Because Eikaiwa are ethically and morally bankrupt, as well as being financially bankrupt, they know they have to get that “positive” figure in the bank account OUT and into the OWNERS pockets, ASAP – they have to get it out, and spent, privately, BEFORE the future lessons must be taught / must be delivered (and as said, it’s only positive, because the cost of future lessons yet to be taught has not been deducted from it – hence the clever accountants they employ).

So, they set up SISTER companies, to supply themselves, every day goods and services, so when the inevitable happens (market saturation point – future lessons sales stop exceeding numbers of lessons being taught), and they file for bankruptcy, it appears, when they are asked “what happened to all the money in the meantime”, that it was spent on legitimate things (goods and services needed to run the company). The SISTER companies, obviously do very well (who wouldn’t, supplying something like stationary, for example, at 2000% more than market price).

So, Eikaiwa is not about making money. It’s about stealing money, but making that process, look legal.

Thank you for the very lengthy repeat of your previous post. The style of financial approach which you describe, whilst widespread, is not a defining criterion for eikaiwa schools. There are numerous eikaiwa schools including some larger ones which operate to a monthly payment system. Of the larger ones, such as ECC and new Nova, not all of them are set up to be losing money from the outset, although both of these operations are having difficulty making money in the present climate.

It is an interesting question which should be of more concern to members of the public. The possibility of losing money paid in advance fees when a company goes bust, or the possibility of putting in a lot of time, effort and emotional energy without making much headway in your self improvement goals. Personally, whilst I would prefer to avoid both calamities, I would consider the loss of time and energy to be the worst because the monetary loss is instantaneous (the moment you pay it), whereas the effects of being messed around are cumulative over a period of time.

It is also an interesting question as to which of the two situations: mass loss of consumer funds in spectacular crashes or the general ineffectiveness of the methods used by eikaiwa has had a greater impact in the steadily declining patronage of these organisations. In this regard it is woth noting that a significant decline in sales preceded the Nova crash, and that event acted as a catalyst to further decreasing sales industry wide - although there have been other factors such as reduced advertising and the economic downturn as well.

However, if one wishes to run an educational business, then obviously it would be necessary to avoid both unsustainable financial practices and unsustainable (in the long term) educational practices. If you wish to sell pet rocks, however, then product quality is not such an issue and much better avenue for sleaze bags and get-rich-quick types to go down.

“Not a defining criterion for Eikaiwa schools” Says who? You?

“Monthly payment system” ?????? What are you on about? Yes, most Eikaiwa schools pay by the month. So what.

“….such as, ECC and new NOVA, not all of them are set up to be losing money from the outset” . Says who? You? Are you their accountant? Sounds like a plug for the new Nova to me.....

Anyway, I think your first paragraph is wishy, washy bullshit, and you don’t really have a clue what you are talking about.

Second Paragraph of yours: guess so, but the last time I heard the words “self-development” or “self-improvement”, they were being spouted out by a sucked-in once an early 80’s night clubber Nova victim – he was on-line, encouraging people, in their frees, to work on “self-development” and “self-improvement”, because that is what his unqualified, non-fulltime status AT was vomiting at him, and the AT was using that bullshit line, which he directed at the over-worked disco hack, clueless instructor, because his AM (also unqualified, and non-fulltime status), was chundering it at him (pretending to be an executive, rather than what he really was, which was a casual employee, working in a pyramid scheme). At the end of the day, money collected to deliver lessons SHOULD be held in reserve, under lock and key, to deliver those lessons – unfortunately, your Eikaiwa fucker company owner, thinks it is for building personal houses, buying yachts, travelling around the world going to F1 meets, spending on hostess bar girls, etc etc etc.

“General Ineffectiveness” – do you mean the shit lessons, or the illegal nature of what they are really on about? Hmm, yes, diminishing sales really do hurt, especially when you have to sell more lessons that you can and ever intend to deliver, because you are selling them at a loss to begin with (keeping the bank balance in the black simply by over-selling lessons, and collecting the fees upfront – to this very day, you dumb ass consumers, try getting a refund – HA HA HA HA).

Your last paragraph – but of course. Conclusion – government to intervene, and abolish Eikaiwa.

What I am on about with the monthly payment system comments is the following statement by yourself:

Eikaiwa NEVER makes money. It’s about selling lessons, in advance, at below the cost of teaching / delivering those lessons.

It’s actually about losing money (always), and playing card tricks, scams, and slight of hand, to steal idiot advance fee paying student’s money.

Some schools might be able to accomplish what you claim eikaiwa schoos 'always' do working to a monthly payment system, where the advance fees are minimal, but they wouldn't be able to manage it for very long. ECC has been in business for decades. Their expansionary phase ended long ago. Are you expecting us to believe that they have been losing money for the last 40 years and are still gong? Highly unlikely. New Nova is well known for it's cost cutting, book balancing activities about which you can read, if you wish to in the forums of LJ.

I'm sorry, but the frontloading activies which you describe as applying to all eikaiwa actually only apply to some, and a high proportion of those have been shaken out over the last few years. Those that remain have considerable restrictions placed on them by their bankers as to what financial fun and games they can and cannot engage in. The days of easy credit for the eiakaiwa industry are well over and these people are now being expected to balance their books and show actual profit if they wish to enjoy continued support.

My remarks on self improvement of course refer to people's effort to develop skill in the knowledge and use of a second language. My remarks on ineffectiveness refer to the poor quality of educational practices. I hope this clears your mind up a little.

Just shows you fail to get it / it just hasn’t sunk in with you. Oh well, let me TRY to explain it to you, again. Eikaiwa sells lessons in advance – meaning, it takes money for those lessons, well before the lessons sold, are actually taught. Do you understand that? SO, therefore, there CAN be money in the bank at the end of each month (and because the account is in the black, they can pay their staff / workers / slaves, their monthly tuppence).

HOWEVER, if you deemed the funds in that account that cover the cost of delivering / teaching the lessons, in the future (the cost of the lessons that the student has not been taught yet, but has purchased, in advance), as being UNTOUCHABLE (which is the only ethical thing to do), THEN actually, the company NEVER has any money.

Clever / or stupid/bent/crook accountants cover this reality up (hence the constant changing of auditors, at places like Nova).

Put a legal stopper on their advance sales machine, or if there is a reasonable economic downturn, that makes the scam less appetizing (since everything gets more highly scrutinized by consumers during those times) and in a matter of months, the true “running on a perpetual deficit” of the Eikaiwa beast quickly manifests, and the company folds – refer major collapses thus far.

It’s actually about losing money (always), and playing card tricks, scams, and slight of hand, to steal idiot advance fee paying student’s money. “Look, see, it is the end of the month, and the account is in the black – we made a profit – time to disperse of those funds”……………yeah, right, it’s not a profit, con-men and con-women, because you have not frozen the money to be used to pay for the untaught lessons, which the students have already paid for.

In business for decades? So what. Expansionary phase ended long ago? So what, it does not mean places like ECC / New Nova are not forward selling lessons at the rate of knots, over and above capacity, and over and above cost of delivery, relying on no-shows, and no-refund policies to get them through.

Eikaiwa is jolly rotten. Do NOT pretend otherwise!

“Monthly payment system” ?????? What are you on about? Yes, most Eikaiwa schools pay by the month. So what.

I think what the poster meant was that the students pay by the month - the companies running Nova now offer lessons in packages of 5, 10 or 20 points, and the students can carry unused points over if they buy new packages. Not sure what this has to do with GABA, mind you.

Yes, that is exactly what I meant. Most small eikaiwa (of which there are many) and a fair proportion of larger ones do not front run to the extent that the above poster claims and the system employed by the majority of schools is a monthly 'student' payment system. This is the same system utilised be countless other clubs and entrprises such as gyms, culture club groups etc.

In such a system the student will typically pay for lessons at the end of one month and then take the lessons in the following month. This means that at around the time the student makes their next payment all, or nearly all of the lessons paid for will have been used up.

New Nova's ticket system is a little more spread out than that. However, it is a far cry from the 3 years in advance system that old Nova used to operate. This is for two reasons: customer reluctance to pay large amounts upfront and banker vigilance as to whether or not the company is making a profit and their loans are safe.

Therefore it is unreasonable to say that 'all' eikaiwa take large advance fees that are less than the cost of lesson delivery. Many have never done that, and those that did in the past face notably greater restrictions on their activities both from customers and from the financial and regulatory system than was the case in the past.

Actually, there is nothing wrong with accepting advance fees and then using these, or borrowing against them, to pay for service delivery costs. Most universities accept advance fees for up to a full year. Sometimes said universities find themselves running at a loss, in which case they must decide to raise fees, petition governement for greater subsidies, increase allumnae contributions and so on and so forth. None of that is wrong.

What is wrong is covering up, or disguising deficits by forward selling as yet to be delivered services and making it look as if you are profitable. That is certainly wrong. However, to claim that 'all' eikaiwa schools do this is an absolute nonsense. It is simply untrue. Some have done it in the past, some may still be doing it, even though it is much more difficult than it used to be, yes. But 'all'? Come on!

Yes. And can anybody tell us what Gabba's payment system is then?

No, No, No, No, No ! They very cunningly offer consumer choice "options", including one month systems, but once in the hands of those evil sales staff, it is game on - they aim to sign them up, for as long as possible, and to get as much money, as they possibly can, cash down.

And, cough, cough, nudge, nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more, BUT I knew this was a plug for the NEW NOVA !!!!! Ha ha ha, I am toooooooooo good !

You have obviously not lived in Japan for some time. The days of the big four (at which time your accusations may have made some sense) are over. Now there are literally thousands of small schools. These operate on much the same principle as most other clubs, as I say. Of course most of these businesses try to increase revenue by various means. However, that is not the same as saying that they are all deliberately running at a loss.- which is your claim

You might not like the fact that your local gym says that you have to give one months notice within the correct time frame or else you will lose money. You might not like that. You might think they are sharks out for every penny, but if you don't like it then you can go to a gym that has a pay as you go system. That's how most eikaiwa operate, like gyms, clubs etc. If you don't want to pay by the month, you can probably find some private arrangement in which you can pay per lesson. It's all out there. You can choose.

Yes some larger organisations are more shark like than some smaller ones. But they can only go so far. They are under pressure. There are less of them now, and those that remain have lost huge revenues already. They are no longer in a position to push customers around to the extent they used to be. People know there are other options and that limits their activities.

Finally, no, the vast majority of eiakaiwa busniesses are not ponzi schemes and not deliberately running at a loss while fleecing funds. NO, NO, NO. You are out of touch, my friend. I suggest that you complain about the United States. They are spending more than they earn and borrowing against future revenues, aren't they? Join the queue to moan about them why don't you?

Looks like the troll's back on here again. I suggest everyone ignore it.

Yes, that is the old NOVA way of doing things. That's what they built their business on - young sales staff (ideally with slim, well-toned bodies, firm breasts, tight asses, cute faces, pretty smiles and flashing eyelids) fleecing students of huge sums of money, throwing in the Ginganet for an extra 100k a pop without telling them, so that Sahashi could make an extra buck for his sister company (and cook the NOVA books too), and banking on them not using up all their lesson points. Once they were slapped with the sanction of only being allowed to sell 100 lesson points/1 year of lessons maximum, the whole edifice collapsed within a few months.

Smaller eikaiwa have been scooping up what they can of the debris, charging maybe a month in advance, perhaps with a discount. It seems logical that people will choose that option over swizzlilng away hundreds of thousands of yen on lesson packages to a clearly shady organization.

Anyone who thinks the remaining Eikaiwa Hounds are at the most, selling ONLY one month in advance, are dreaming. "Oh, we are not like the old Nova, you see, we offer the consumer a CHOICE, and they can pay as they go, you see"..........yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right, and of course, Eikaiwa fuckers, in your sales booths, you don't push the fishy into making a choice which goes in any particularly direction, do you?

OK, let's forget their sickening money grab, stash, and siphon off tactics. Let's get down to the more obvious basics. They, the Gods Of Eikaiwa, say they are experts, and offer professional lessons, yet most of their teachers are unqualified, have little to no "in-house" training, which to begin with is largely provided by beer drinking, unqualified dick-heads who know not the first thing about language teaching.

Yep, it's all true.

The average Eikaiwa Circus "work force" is made up largely of people that a real outfit would not let loose in any classroom, based on complete and utter incompetence, and the linguistic damage and confusion they would cause.

By the way, I sniff the WHACK troll is back (refers troll comments). You see, it can't help itself. It hates being told it is full of bullshit, is off the mark, or isn't hitting it's target. It will ALWAYS hit the troll alert button, when it's myopic view of the toilet which is Eikaiwa is challenged. Oh well, some things never change.

At the end of the day. GEOS language academies and their management are still the most corrupt on the planet. In fact, we should have a poll here that determines who are the Top 5 worst school chains. GEOS would definitely take the top spot in my opinion.

Geos barely qualifies as a chain anymore. They are tiny now. They may be corrupt, but so are a lot of other insignificant little operations.

Let's just leave poor 'ol GEOS alone for a while. Summer is over, Autumn is on its way, and then there's that cold cold cold North American Winter to be faced by the marketing department.

Eikaiwa was a RAT CIRCUS, and it fills me with glee to use the past tense. By golly the posters on this site have an amazing take on the whole scam; pretty impressive stuff. All makes sense having been one of the players in the game (I thought I was such a BIG MAN).

Yet we must remember that these were different times - heady times - the economy (and therefore the rules) were not the same, as in you can buy a pair of jeans for 1200 yen now. I met a friend recently who works her butt off teaching, and she needed help from her parents just to come home for a holiday. This shit was unheard of during the days of big primo location signage and trains plastered with eikaiwa crap all the time.

Keep your analysis (or should I say postmortem) coming fellas; makes for some damn interesting reading!

So you think that small eikaiwa are going to charge 100s and 100s of lessons in advance, like the old NOVA did, just to make their accounts look good, and set up a whole array of sister companies to siphon money into?

Hmmm, how much funny cabbage have you been smoking?

Never mind the funny cabbage, this guy is a certified troll and nutcase. He posts on here and over on NTU, for years on end, winding people up and suckering them in hook, line and sinker, usually with some rant about eikaiwa, followed by some sicko obsessive paranoia that a troll called "Whacko Mackerel" is stalking him and hunting him down.

It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out that this is him projecting his own shameful behaviour, i.e. stalking people, working at the eikaiwa gulag etc. onto others.

Best ignored, lest the board get dragged down and ruined even more. Chances are he'll think I'M Whacko Mackerel now, and start targetting me. Again, best ignored.

Never mind GEOS? Well, they are one of the most corrupt, slimy organizations on the planet. So much has been talked about on here and elsewhere, and for good reason. Smart people do not work there, period.

Why is it every time someone says something honest and, yes, negative about GEOS, some buffoon is always on here calling them a troll? Seriously, don't you GEOS managers have better things to do like fix your sad, little, failed company.?

Never mind GEOS? Well, they are one of the most corrupt, slimy organizations on the planet. So much has been talked about on here and elsewhere, and for good reason. Smart people do not work there, period.

Why is it every time someone says something honest and, yes, negative about GEOS, some buffoon is always on here calling them a troll? Seriously, don't you GEOS managers have better things to do like fix your sad, little, failed company.?

Never mind GEOS, because in Japan it no longer exists except as a brand name used by other companies. If you are talking about GEOS overseas may I remind you that all the recent posts on that topic have been deleted. Anything to say about GABA?

SMALL / BIG – WHO CARES ! The slimy Eikaiwa practice of well forward sales, and the good ole special corporate structure / sister company/s smoke screen, making it so much easier to mysteriously do the money go out the door shuffle and card trick, is rife in the “industry”.

You have obviously been eating cabbage, cause you sure as hell are blowing it out your ass!

Best be ignored?

Practice what your preach, and spare us

Thanks

(Oh, about NTU. I am not a union member, and never have been, although I do think for the sick Eikaiwa Industry, being a Union member is probably in any language instructor’s best interests)

RE: UNIONS

I personally really can’t stand Unions but I totally 100% agree that all Eikaiwa instructors should sign up with the NTU given the history of employee exploitation that is so broadly associated with the Eikaiwa business

Only a fool wouldn’t

Eikaiwa could not care less about it's workers

You are nothing to them

I agree! All eikaiwa workers should join a national union. At least then you have SOME chance of asserting your rights.

I don't agree that you are 'nothing to them'. You are in fact a tissue. Pull it out, do what you want with it (including bodily fluids), then throw it away and forget about it. And then, low and behold, pull out another one. A nice fresh one, that will laugh at all the jokes, and will go the extra mile because they "really care about their students". (Rachel from Canada; Johnny from Ireland, Paul from Australia; Tanya from the US; Michael from New Zealand; etc, etc, etc......)

If you want to be a tissue, that's fine. But please keep in mind the fact that most of the money you make, you ain't gettin, and the fact that it won't be long 'till you are all used up.

More quivering tears from the Whacko Troll results in another round of deletion. When will it ever learn some discipline?

I would highly recommend joining NTU. They can help you in your fight for better pay and conditions. Don't listen to all the naysayers and trolls, they're just jealous that we brought down Nova.

So I give out some good, sound advice about joining NTU in order to protect and promote both yours and your fellow workers' rights, and get bashed round the head and accused of spamming.

anon, do you make a habit of flaming people like this? I must say it brings down the tone of the board completely.

I would highly recommend joining NTU. They can help you in your fight for better pay and conditions.

Unions are for people who intend to make a career out of whatever job they're doing. Most eikaiwa teachers only plan on sticking around for a year or two before heading home to get on with something else. I suspect that in most cases if the pay and conditions are semi-reasonable they're happy to put up with them for what will, after all, be a fairly short time. If not, they usually just quit and the eikaiwa school looks for someone else. No need for anyone to bother with unions.

Don't listen to all the naysayers and trolls, they're just jealous that we brought down Nova.

Did you? How did you manage that? I always thought Nova brought itself down.

Thanks to us, Nova teachers - even all those newbie instructors that hadn't joined up because they foolishly thought, like you, that they didn't need a Union because they were "only there for a year", only for the company to go belly-up shortly after they arrived - received help and assistance when they needed it most.

I know I'll get flamed and abused for this (thanks for deleting the previous abuse), but the collapse of Nova shows the importance of joining a Union and standing up for your rights, protecting yourself and the interests of your fellow worker.

All we're doing is discussing the merits of joining a Union, and that's relevant to the topic of the thread. If you don't like it, feel free to leave the board and post somewhere else.

When I worked at Berlitz I joined the union. It actually improved my lot (not Berlitz... the UNION). I was able to produce a copy of the agreement made between the union and management (something to do with me getting a certain number of non-teaching lessons). The management were always surprised "oh... I didn't know about this..." and hurriedly went and made their own copy. But it was all legit, and I got my free lessons. He he he.....

Moral of the story? If you are here for the long term and want a better deal JOIN A UNION. Just don't be an asshole about it; remember management also have a stake in keeping your business (er, sorry... school) a going concern. GIVE AND TAKE PEOPLE. But just don't take it up the you know what!!

I did it hard in the ditches. Union saved my bacon more than a couple of times. Lookin' back, hell yeah if it ain't obvious I wouldn't have made it through my contract without Union behind the scenes workin' for my interests. Instructor in Japan, go Union, or do it naked and hard, the choice is yours.

I done my time in the trenches. I did it real tough. Union helped me. Union was there for me. Union supported me all the way from start to finish. That's a hell of a lot more than what I can say for my son or a bitch employer. If it wasn't for Union I wouldn't even of had unemployment insurance when the son of a bitch of a company went under. I would not even of had a toilet to shit in or a place to make myself a cup of coffee.

Don't stand their naked getting your ass sucked dry by vermin Eikaiwa operators.

Go Union Now.

I don't think mocking the Union in this way is called for. The Union has done a lot to help our members through times of strife, yet some people see this as a reason to take the piss, probably because they didn't unionize and ended up with worse working conditions for themselves.

If spamming a message board helps you get it out your system, then good luck to you.

'course our aussie union did it their own way when it came to pay negotiations a year or so back. somehow got us bludgers off state based pay awards an' onto some federal scheme where the pay rates and levels are lower than the previous ones. really wants to make ya sign up and pay the pikers a few bucks a week for their help, don't it? . could be worse tho, one of the health union officials who is now a federal parliamentarian (ooooooh, big word!!!) is in the gun for (allegedly) spending a motza on a trade union credit card in brothels...ah, happy days down in the land where nothing ever happens.

Really stimulating posts, not.

Does anyone know exactly what N T U actually stands for?

I don't think there is a teacher's union in Japan that abbreviates to N T U, so I suspect this is all just some kind of side tracking bullshit game being conducted between the trolls.

The Nova Teachers Union I presumed, although it does appear that someone has completely spammed the board with it and driven all the regular posters away. I can only presume they're bitter, twisted ex-eikaiwa teachers with no lives.

Nova Teacher's Union? I thought Nova went bankrupt. Wouldn't any Nova Union have gone out the window in that process, or at the very least, have been forced to change it's name?

To be honest, I don't recall there ever being a Union called Nova Teacher's Union, but I could be mistaken.

My guess was that it meant Nippon Teacher's Union, but I could not find anything to match Nippon Teacher's Union on the broader web.

"Can only presume they're bitter, twisted ex-eikaiwa teachers with no lives"

I wouldn't be so harsh. A lot of bullshit posted, for sure, but I could not find anything deserving of that dung fling by you.

To be honest, it sounds like what you want to believe, more than anything else.

Perhaps you are in Eikaiwa, and have to make the most of it, and to simply get through it, you view anyone who did the only sane thing, which is to escape, as being ex-eikaiwa teachers with no lives.

Or worse still, you just can't let go of your previous little faggot Eikaiwa memories, and anyone who makes the truth known to you, that being, you worked as a paid clown for a bunch of shysters, you have to label as being an ex-eikaiwa teacher with no life.

Any of the above being the case, get over it.

Neddy, you do get rather riled by people who criticize eikaiwa teachers as being bitter and twisted and having no lives, yet you say exactly the same thing about them yourself.

Why is that do you think? Is it because you're a bitter, twisted ex-eikaiwa teacher with no life? Just wondering.

English Instructors GEOS for Children- Tokyo
Company: Geos Corporation ジオスコーポレーション㈱Job ID: 45708Location: TokyoPost date: Sep 6, 2011Job Category: Teaching / EducationWork Type: Part Time / Entry LevelSalary: ¥2,100 ~ ¥3,500/Hour
Positively promoted to Full-time positions

"GEOS for Children is part of Geos Corporation Ltd., comprising over 76 branches across Japan! The curriculum, materials and texts used within our schools are unique to GEOS.

We are looking to hire for part-time positions in the Tokyo, Kanagawa and Chiba areas. We do have other openings across Japan such as in Jyoetsu and Shikoku so we do welcome applicants for these areas. We are looking for teachers who are able to start as soon as possible.

GEOS for Children offers enthusiastic and caring individuals a memorable and rewarding adventure. Since we take care of small children from the age of 1 year through to 14 years of age, candidates who are mature, professional and love working with kids are welcome! You will prepare and teach lessons which consist of singing songs, playing games and making sure that the children have fun learning English. "

OKK, BedRedNed. dust off the cv and on yer bike...ya've gotta chance at last.

I wouldn't be so harsh. A lot of bullshit posted, for sure, but I could not find anything deserving of that dung fling by you.

To be honest, it sounds like what you want to believe, more than anything else.

Perhaps you are in Eikaiwa, and have to make the most of it, and to simply get through it, you view anyone who did the only sane thing, which is to escape, as being ex-eikaiwa teachers with no lives.

Or worse still, you just can't let go of your previous little faggot Eikaiwa memories, and anyone who makes the truth known to you, that being, you worked as a paid clown for a bunch of shysters, you have to label as being an ex-eikaiwa teacher with no life.

Any of the above being the case, get over it.

As I said, the Union has helped many people to improve their working conditions, and give them support when they most need it. You sound like a bitter, twisted ex-eikaiwa teacher with no life, seeing as you have so much time to spam a board with gibberish.

Get over it.

Not only that but a bitter, twisted ex-eikaiwa teacher with no life who thinks he's better than everyone else because he got out the trenches eventually.

What a sad tosser.

He got out? No. He's sucked in for life. Just think of all the fun a troll could have on other sites. For example, riling up conservative religious groups on their chat sites or something like that. There is no end of opportunity for the enterprising troll. So many people to mess around with compared to the paltry few who have any interest at all in a mediocre failing industry in a far eastern country like Japan

And yet, poor creature, here he still is after all these years totally mind trapped and unable to exist without his daily dose of eikaiwa.

The reason for any trolls' bitterness is simple: it thought it was "gifted" and "intelligent", then got stuck in a dead-end, unskilled eikaiwa job, being lorded over by some "thick" manager with no degree, no qualifications, and no background in teaching.

Eventually, it did manage to get out, but with years of bitterness built up inside about its own uselessness and ineptitude at being stuck at the coal face - a worthless piece of shit, patronized by twathead, low-life managers - it had to find a way to offload its pent-up feelings of inadequacy.

What better place to do it than on an anonymous web board where there's no real comeback for it? Stick the boot in to all those tossers on Let's Japan still slaving away at the wazza, and pretend to itself that it's now a superior form of life than the eikaiwa minion it once was. Even though it doesn't really know what any of the posters on here do for a living, it projects the same dirty image it has of itself onto them: a sad, useless, burnt-out eikaiwa drone, going nowhere fast.

Simple isn't it?

Perhaps so, but diagnosis is only a part of the psychiatrist's art. You have the makings of a fine troll that a university education of sorts gave you. Do you not? Why wallow in a backwater? Survey the broader field and aspire to the full possibilities of your craft.

Some republicans in America get paid to do what you do for free for goodness sakes

True, I should be prescribing a remedy for its affliction.

Bullet in the head perhaps? Lobotomy? Or maybe you're right, perhaps it should get out more. Do some exercise, learn something new. Just anything to take its mind off eikaiwa.

Now you're talking. Tell me then, what other afflctions does it have besides eikaiwa? Would any of these be more deserving of it's zeal. More profitable, even?

This is exactly what the people who run these eikaiwa "businesses" just never get. If you are going to run an educational business, then you have to have a balance between monetary objectives on the one hand and educational objectives on the other. If you don't then your business will forever be on shaky ground. You may make hay for a while, but sooner or later you will come a cropper.

It may be different at small eikaiwa schools where one or two people have to do everything, but at the bigger chains one of the main problems is that there are often numerous layers of management between the teachers and the owners, who frequently have no background in education and actually know nothing about the lessons, the materials or even how to speak English. So making a distinction between monetary and financial objectives is really too much to expect from them, as is any kind of coherent and sensible decision-making. The main problem with eikaiwa chains is that the upper management is basically crap.

Just out of interest, can anyone show me any correlation between NOT having layers on management between teachers and management and business success? I'm not proud of it, but I have absolutely nothing to do with teachers in my companies and probably only know the names of about 10% of them. I don't see this impacts my business.

The posters on this forum are a perfect indication of why English-teaching foreigners (as opposed to the rest of us who have real jobs) are look at with such disdain and disgust. First time running across this particular forum and it's absolutely amazing how this sad septic culture never seems to get better with time. Bottom-feeding humanity, truly. I see lots of talk of "trolls" (how shocking!)...feel free to moan and wring your hands over me now also. Anyway...as you were. A sad vile lot.

The posters on this forum are a perfect indication of why English-teaching foreigners (as opposed to the rest of us who have real jobs) are look at with such disdain and disgust. First time running across this particular forum and it's absolutely amazing how this sad septic culture never seems to get better with time. Bottom-feeding humanity, truly. I see lots of talk of "trolls" (how shocking!)...feel free to moan and wring your hands over me now also. Anyway...as you were. A sad vile lot.

This is precisely what the psychiatrist was referring to, whether or not this post is "real" or not.

I wanna hear from people actually working in eikaiwa today. What's it like? What is he general vibe these days? The good, the bad, the pretty damn cool, and the downright lousy. Please share, and IGNORE LOSERS who use this site to get off.

Gosh, lots of posts. Lots of activity. Too busy to read it all, but.

Skim read a few posts, but.

Seems to be nothing more than troll droppings to me.

Does anyone have anything interesting or informative to say?

Thanks

Obviously the trolls have lost their tongues all of a sudden.

As usual, when challenged, they cower and scurry away back into their little troll holes to lick their wounds, desperately trying to think up some new trolling tactic.

Hilarious and pathetic, at one and the same time.

So easy to scare them off though.

Now I run a small school, in Kanto. 150-200 students, depending on time of year.

I was a trainer in the Big Eikaiwas. My current salary is comparable. I work 30-35 hours a week. It is pretty stress free, and socially, I enjoy it.

I feel that even more than the big EIKAIWa where I enjoyed working, for over ten years, but hated the companies, this small EIKAIWA gig really is my bag, and I can see myself doing it full time for another 3-5 years. As I intend to stay in Japan though, businesswise, I have a couple of other projects going on, that hopefully will provide stable income in the longer term. Can't see myself doing this job, when I'm sixty though, even though I love it, (as I enjoy sleeping all morning, among other things) and have many happy memories (my first J-girlfriend was a GEOS staff and my first steady GF here was a female Nova teacher). Any other questions, BedRed??

I agree with the above.

I saw EIKAIWA for what it was, and decided to get a real job and a real life. I am now an evening and weekend shift manager, at a Mastercard call centre in Northamptonshire, England........

............................................................................................................................................................................................................FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!! WHO AM I KIDDING????? I wish I was still in japan :(. I haven't been laid since 2004 :(((((

Just out of interest, can anyone show me any correlation between NOT having layers on management between teachers and management and business success? I'm not proud of it, but I have absolutely nothing to do with teachers in my companies and probably only know the names of about 10% of them. I don't see this impacts my business.

Well, it's not so much a matter of knowing the teachers as knowing what they're doing. Of course it's absurd to expect senior management to spend lots of time with teachers, get to know all their names, etc, but I imagine you are pretty familiar with the materials they use, the aims of the curriculum, the format of the lessons they teach and the standards they are expected to maintain. Some Japanese eikaiwa owners seem to be totally clueless about all that, and not interested in finding out about it.

Me too dude, I got out of eikaiwa and now I'm back home UNEMPLOYED. It's fantastic, I drag my sorry ass down the dole office every two weeks and sign my name on a piece of paper, while in between times I get to sit on my bee-hind all day, watch telly, eat 50c McD's hamburgers, and troll Internet sites all day every day, rent and living costs all paid for.

YEAH BABY!!!!!

In further comment on the above

If you compare an eikaiwa organisation school to a regular school, say a primary school, then there important differences:

Within a primary school there will be an internal management structure with a principal at the top, and that principal will have risen up through the ranks of teachers and have many years of teaching experience. By comparison, the role of teachers in the internal management structure of an eikaiwa is usually low level. Even in those cases where this is not the case, the level of teaching experience that the teacher manager would have is much lower than would apply in the case of an ordinary school. Typcially, however, in an eikaiwa, the main manager of the school is not a teacher at all and their main job focus is on sales.

At the next level of management hierarchy there are also important differences. In the case of a primary school, staff at the school will be subject to ministry supervision. The level of centralisation in mainstream education is in fact something of a problem for education. However, there is not the kind of micromanagement of teacher behaviour towards their students in state education supervision that occurs in eikaiwa.

If that kind of micro management was being conducted by people who were themselves experienced teachers, then perhaps that would not be so terrible. However, that is not the case. The vast majority of these managers have risen far too quickly from the position of teacher to that of manager to actually know that much about teaching. They might be quite good at running show lessons, but when it comes to taking people successfully through a process over a period of years from position A to position B in the way that state teachers do, well most of these managers have never taken anyone anywhere to speak of. They simply don't know how its done, and yet here they are dictating to the teachers in their schools what to do, and most of what they say simply doesn't work. The results are not recorded, and for good reason. They are abysmal.

A second problem with these managers is that in addition to not being very good at teaching and not knowing how to get results themselves they, like the non teaching manager at school level also have a high focus on sales. If the sales are bad, then there is something wrong. That means a quick fix is in order, something that may seem to work for a while but in the longer run amounts to nothing more than cosmetic changes with the aim of improving this months sales figures but having little to no impact at all as regards raising the level of educational progress that students experience.

So finally to return to your question on the correlation to your business, it is difficult for me to answer your question completely because I do not know if the businesses you run are in fact eikawa run along the lines described above and operate in Japan or whether the schools you own are run differently and are in another country. However, working on the assumptioin that you are in fact running an eikaiwa chain in Japan which is like what is described above, then I would say that you might be making nice money now, but the educational part of your educational product is severely deficient and it is only a matter of time before this comes back to bite you on the arse as it has companies like Nova (complete collapse) Geos (complete collapse) and other companies in Japan still operating but making very little money these days.

I love it when people pretend to be me. It's very flattering.

But unfortunately, just another long series of crap posts. Even the last post - listen dick, tell us something we don't know.

You people are a bunch of boring assholes.

Stop pretending to be me please, dick. It's boring.

You people pretending to be me, you're all so boring.

I love it when Big Red Ned pretends to be School Owner and half dozen other unconvincing personas and posts a whole stream of red herring posts just to get away from someone who is getting a little too close for comfort. Then, like a cat in a tree tells them all and any other person who has been sucked into his sideshow how boring they are.

Please take your motley fairground of disordered personalities elsewhere.

Last two posts. Herro Stalker ! I know you ruv me. It's your rife's passion to tag me, follow my ebery move, read my ebery word, and respond or retaliate to eberythink I say or do.

I like that, it's flattering, but, um.................

After all these years, you should thinking of getting a different life passion, other than dedicating yourself to being my entertainment.....

Come on, you can do it, if you try ;) !

I think that you are confusing me with someone else. Your stalker, whoever that might be, may well have been on your tail for years. Also, I would suspect that he would be willing to follow you pretty well anywhere. I am different. I have not been trailing you for years. Nor do I plan to follow you anywhere. I simply view you as a neighbour from hell and wish you would choose another neighbourhood.

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