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Was There a Coup at GEOS?

When I wrote previously that the takeover of GEOS went smoothly, I remembered an old article sitting in my stack of stuff to do. It comes from JC-NET and was published on April 24, shortly after the bankruptcy was announced. As the title of this post says, the story suggests that there was a coup d'etat at GEOS that allowed for G.communication to swiftly move in and take over the company.

I don't know anything about JC-NET and certainly can't vouch for the accuracy of the article, but when GEOS went bust on April 21, I wondered if anything was going on behind the scences. The bankruptcy was incredbily smooth. G.communication and GEOS apparently reached a deal four days before the bankruptcy was announced. The president of G.communication initially stated he took over the company to protect the students. In a later interview, he said:

"People may be worried because of the experience with Nova. In Nova's case, we took over some of their schools awhile after the company went bankrupt and we had to start in a situation where more than 1,000 teachers didn't have places to work," Sugimoto said.

"This time, we raised our hand (to rescue Geos) at an early time," he said. "If it was a week later, it would have been more chaotic."

So just how early did Sugimoto "raise his hand?" The bankruptcy has been so smooth it's virtually a non-event in the news. The JC-NET article, however, suggests that there was a lot of maneuvering behind the scenes and that Kusunoki was essentially stabbed in the back by a nephew. Here's a summary of that article.

Et tu, Tabuchi?

The JC-NET article starts off with the observation that Kusunoki wasn't present at the press conference announcing GEOS' bankruptcy and that this was odd, especially when you consider that he didn't agree to the bankruptcy in the first place. Instead, leading the coup d'etat was a director named Tabuchi.

The bankruptcy was filed with the Tokyo District Court by Hitomi Suhara and two other directors. Sitting beside Suhara at the press conference was Tabuchi.

However, JC-NET notes that Tabuchi may in fact be Kusunoki's nephew, who happens to have been in charge of operations in the Chubu area, G.education's home turf. So here's the plot: Worried about GEOS's stability, Tabuchi approaches G.communication and offers to sell the company to them. We already know that an agreement was signed on April 16th. The offer to sell, however, may have been made much further in advance of the April 16 signing. G.communication may have decided to sign on the 16th after having reviewed information about GEOS' schools and sorting the schools into the ones it would keep and the ones it would close. A source says this is why GEOS' directors (Suhara and Tabuchi) could speak with such clarity about GEOS's schools during the press conference in the wake of the bankruptcy.

JC-NET believes that Tabuchi and other kept Kusunoki out of the loop. Some reports had Kusunoki considering selling GEOS to another large eikaiwa school other that G.communication. At the same time, two directors approached G.communication. JC-NET says that Tabuchi and Suhara took files on each school to G.communication without telling GEOS's board of directors. In a takeover, the articles of incorporation have to be reviewed, but taking documents without the knowledge of the board would appear to be a breach of confidentiality. JC-NET's source says that Tabuchi did this to save his own skin, but this doesn't make much sense. The backroom dealings aside, there's no way G.communication would go public and employ either Tabuchi or Suhara. If this is true, then it appears that Kusunoki may have been stabbed in the back by his nephew.

As is known from press releases, GEOS filed for bankruptcy on March 16 [sic. Mistake in the report? Should be April 16] and signed an agreement with G.education to take over GEOS, its kodomo schools, and e-GEOS businesses. On April 23, G.education reopened 170 GEOS schools and 223 kodomo classrooms while shutting down 100 other schools. Students affected by the closures were given the option of transferring to the nearest GEOS or Nova school, or taking Ocha no ma ryuugaku lessons online at a 75% discount.

G.communication, the parent company of G.education, held a press conference on April 21, but Kusunoki was not in attendance. According to a JNN interview, Kusunoki maintains that he was looking to sell the company to another school when his directors betrayed him. "It's like a coup d'etat," he said.

Comment: As I said at the outset, I don't know what to make of the allegation that Tabuchi is related to Kusunoki or if there's any truth to the story at all. If it's true, the takeover of GEOS is more a fait accompli on G.communication's part than a coup within GEOS.

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Tabuchi is Kusunoki's family member. You can tell my the massive head and the general look of being mentally handicapped. These are traits of the entire Kusunoki clan. Of course, his daughter has the added point of looking like a horse and being a slappy, friendless almost hooker. Actually, that is not fair. I apologize to the hookers of the world...

If there was a "coup" I am sure that it is only coz Tabuchi and Suhara were likely to get completely shafted by Kusunoki. So, instead, they shafted him. Don't buy this, "I wanted to save the school for the students" bulls**t from Kusunoki. He just didnt get to collect the cash all for himself and screw everyone else.

If you think about all the other long-term H/O staff that got the shaft, were fired or forced out over the years what Tabuchi did was actually very smart. Kusunoki had a bad habit of losing his shit and taking it out on the senior head office staff. Tabuchi probably saw that his number was up and decided to try and do something about it.

And of all the HO staff I met he was one of the better ones. Good bloke to have a drink with.

16:46 Well said. Perfectly right.

Special K had not intention of doing the right thing. He would rather run the company into the ground (which he was doing) then give up control. I do not even think he would sell it. Tabuchi saved his own ass; too bad more didn't think the same way.

But here is the kicker, no where in the article or in any G.Comm proceedings does it say anything about North American schools. Before any of you J-staff go ballistic about NA comments, listen...GEOS Europe the rest of the world outside NA were settled before the bankruptcy announcement. But GEOS NA had no mention, and no one seems to know anything about its fate. It is interesting because GEOS NA has been quite a money-laundering venue for Special K. Could this be one reason why it is still operational? Some of inside know that money was "re-diverted" from GEOS Montreal last year at this time to Turkey, to save the school admin. there from the wrath of the tax man. Other money form other schools in Canada was also collected up by GEOS Montreal head honcho and sent off to the motherland.

Does this GEOS N hold the clue to offshore money laundering for Special K right now? This might be a good reason to keep it open, especially to escape his own country's tax man. We all know that GEOS Canada is not making money, but a little side money could be keeping it afloat for other, more insidious purposes.

This is on the money

Yabuchi was at one time set to succeed Kusunoki as presudent, but it was widely know at HO that he wasnt up for the job - Suhara, I believe is in some way related to the family too

the way I heard it (from another of the 3 directors -the honest one and the only one who wasnt a part of the family) Kusunoki was set on a partnership with either gcom or another eikaiwa - I hear that gcom agreed to the partnership deal then had Tabuchi get the bankruptcy going so they could announce to the media that they were "taking over" rather than "buying in" - apparently he gets to keep his title and cushy salary .in the deal- as the poster upthread noted- not an entirely silly thing to do- but I don't know how well I'd be sleeping if I traded my job at the cost of all those staff members losing their April salaries, bonuses and the like - but hey- nice outcome for him.

by the time the dust settled they had signatures from most of the geos staff saying that they would work for gcom - so that when Kusunoki disputed the bankruptcy (and that was in motion from the morning that gcom made the announcement) it was easier for the court to ratify it as it seemed that gcom had everything under control

this is probably why gcom weren't too keen on letting anyone leave the meetings they held unless you'd handed over your signed 'anketo'

It was very smoothly played on gcom's part.

In case anyone wants to put a face to the name- Tabuchi is that fat little frog-faced guy looks like somebody super-glued a novelty plastic elvis wig to his head .

email sent out to "all schools at 9:49am -- minutes before the internal announcement telling all to close the doors and get to a gcom meeting

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Sent to whom?

it was sent out to the "all schools" email address...

basically ot went to every email address in the company on the morning of the bankruptcy announcement

The big questions are 1) HOW LONG does it take to negotiate a takeover so quickly and smoothly? 2) How could G.comm benefit?

The answer to question one has got to be weeks or months rather than days.

The answer to question two was probably chewed over at length by G.comm:

Certainly G.education's 'creative firing' was shifted into the realms of a disincentive to sign new contracts due to slashed salaries, even before the Liehman Brothers collapse, with 'G' crying POVERTY. And there is no doubt that many longer term, higher paid ex- Old Nova tutors were prompted to quit (and this is still happenning).

Then, along comes the GEOS buyout, enabling G.education a wealth of teachers to interview and hire at lower rates, and with overseas hiring again in place G.comm has certainly achieved a 'fait accompli'.

So. When did negotiations between GEOS and G.comm actually begin?
Your guess is as good as mine!

I am aware that other English Schools were approached to take over GEOS but all of them declined because of the the fixed overheads eg salaries- teachers and administration staff at each location, and the rents - school and teacher's living quarters.
The day of all ticket schools (pay in advance) are numbered. Don't be surprised if you see AEON and ECC (the last of the big 4) closing their non profitable locations because if they don't they too will go bankrupt. In addition Berlitz, although they have been smart by reducing their outlets, are in trouble because of the slow down in all their wortldwide markets. And then their is G Communication Can they survive on the bones of Nova and GEOS? It is highly unlikely.

The GEOS schools in Australia closed their doors and went into liquidation in January 2010 even though they were profitable because the profits were being remitted to Japan - as per the Liquidator's report.

Kusunoki will have stashed some cash somewhere.
I worked for him in Brisbane, attended his management meetings in Japan and knew him well from his trips to Australia where he would hold parties at his Gold Coast house in Sanctuary Cove.
He was an arrogant, rude and sometimes vile individual and his children were no better, but he was not stupid.
Some money will be hidden away and his little band of croonies will have made sure of that.
But to think he may have had one little knife in the back from his own staff does bring a wry smile to my face.
RIP Geos and go to hell Kusunoki.

And don't forget the pressure on GEOS NA to pump funds over to Tokyo last year. Mr K was putting the pressure on Uri to run campaigns attempting to suck significant targetted figures from each NA school. (Martha will well remember the pressure and how much she enjoyed beeing involved in the campaigns). Targets were not met but money did flow to Tokyo. Where did the money end up? As 12:21 rightly said, K is not stupid. The one business he knows is the English school business. And that might give us some clue as to where the Aussi and Yank and Canuck financial contributons are now residing and working .....just a supposition mind you.

And then their is G Communication Can they survive on the bones of Nova and GEOS? It is highly unlikely.

It's worth bearing in mind that NOVA and GEOS are not G.com's only enterprises - they have a whole bunch of restaurants and cram schools they'll be hoping to keep getting money from. I've heard, though, that since the bankruptcy GEOS can't accept credit card payments for lesson packages, and it's been a bit of a problem that not so many prospective students want to stump up a few hundred thousand yen in cash.

Torontoguy is on the money. Uri Carnat is involved big time, and not only provided money to Japan on behalf of GEOS Canada schools on several occasions but also made several all-expenses-paid trips to South American and other places. Some coming with little notice from Special K. You do the math.

Poor Martha Munroe, spent 15 years with the company and had no plans to leave. She had her little fiefdom in Ottawa and now she is gone. She was certified crazy and had a man complex, but I know in the end she was screwed over by Uri. The fought like cats and dogs. Now he is stealing her Saudi students to pump up his own numbers and survival. Wonder where she went?

As if this wasn't any big surprise.

All shopping center locations are CLOSING in the Kanto area. About half the locations will be transferred to NOVA branches and the other half will be transferred to other GEOS locations.

All of this will take place around the 20th of July.

Well, GEOS Canada is going nuts advertising on Craigslist and other free Internet boards. Not talking an ad a month or even a week...EVERY DAY. Marketing budget must be gone and desperation setting in. Then again, when you can use one of those free interns you keep advertising for you have to make them do something.

Well, the big names keep on falling. Which company will be next? Is it true that AEON is in trouble, and has the wolf fangs biting at the door? How much job security does Eikaiwa really offer? Is it safe or sensible to work for an Eikaiwa at all? How many more tragic collapses must we see? How many more employees will be fed to the wolves, as the owner's companies collapse, while the owners retire as Eikaiwa tycoons? How much more pain needs to be witnessed, before this every so sad industry is shut down for good? Is working for Eikaiwa, putting your financial security in the hands of the Gods? How much butchery do people have to see, before they understand, they work in a butchery, for butchers?

Wake up people. AVOIDING Eikaiwa is common sense, given the history of the industry thus far.

Amen Big Names,

I just got out today. For nearly two years I worked for GEOS. I had to hang my head everytime I told anyone that is where I worked. Even still, I took pride in my teaching (while trying to find something better). Teaching primarily young kids was tough, especially with no support from anyone at my school, other than one period where there was a decent human working as the manager. I went on all the camps and built relationships with parents and now I am sitting in my empty Leopalace looking at all the gifts and cards spread out before me. Half of the cards say, "Teacher, get well soon." I noticed half way through last week that the manager of my school was telling all of the students and parents that I was leaving because I was sick. Not an ounce of truth to that (Don't know many sick people that swim 20k a month and run upwards of 100k). Just another lie on top of all the lies.

Thinking about the students who have been with me for the last two years I see some who have grown substantially in their English ability and their life skills. I hope that I have sparked a genuine desire to learn in kids who otherwise wouldn't know the value of education and exploration. I feel great that kids tell me that I am their favorite teacher. But, I am sad knowing that my name will ultimately be tied to a school that is going to fuck them over sometime or another.

Before my last class last night I got a call from some soul-sucker at head office telling me my school was closing and that there wouldn't be a new teacher for my students. All last week the manager told the kids they were getting a new woman teacher. Another lie. How can people put up with this? I feel terrible that a large percentage of my students signed up for the next year thinking that I was going to be there.

It doesn't really matter to me, of course. I couldn't care one iota what actually happens to the school. I hope my coworker lose their jobs, as they wouldn't be educators in a place where schools have any standards. I suppose I wouldn't either but, I also see those who are getting teaching jobs in my native Canada and it also raises an eyebrow. As for my former coworkers, they just stand and press play and pause on a CD player. One teacher's pronunciation is so poor she can't even say tomato properly. It just comes out, "tomaterr" I finally called her on it today. I suggested she learn to speak the language she is paid to teach. But, I am sure she'll never get it. I know I wasn't the easiest person to work with. I was raised to question things. I don't conform or accept the state of things; in short, I like to stir things up. When I told my coworkers that I didn't need their help, I have never seen such resentment. They went so far as to make up lies about my teaching and my behavior in the school. It was a lot to put up with.

I bit my lip for two years. I know that I did myself a disservice staying for so long. I know that the school never, ever deserved to have me at their school. You are damn right I am too good for Eikaiwa. But, the tradeoffs (living in Kyoto, meeting a wonderful woman and so much more) enabled me to justify it all. At times the two days off I had each week easily made up for the garbage I had to deal with during the next five days. Now, I feel sick when I think about every little bit of evil I saw take place in my time at GEOS. I have never felt so good leaving a company. I want to thank this website. It helped me gain a deeper understanding of how companies such as GEOS operate. I will pass it along to others.

Yep, it was my last day shilling my language for this evil, evil company. Everyone who spoke for the company made my skin crawl. I would never have believed the behavior of my coworkers if I hadn't seen it myself. I have a week to sit around Kyoto taking in the gardens I have grown to love. I am hoping some of this anger evaporates but, I know it as made me more cynical (I didn't think that was possible). It has given me a lot of perspective, perhaps too much. Nevertheless, as I walk around I feel the wonderful history of the city. I'll end up having a nice conversation with someone this week and I won't have to say I work for GEOS. It will be my best week in Japan.

well done yuzu, finally somebody had the sentiment to write something genuine about their experience with the company, i got out when g.com moved in and have survived thus far with very little cash.so good luck to you

1:25 Absolutely spot on. Could not have said it better myself. Thank you for such a level-headed and honest account of your experience and feelings.

Too bad there are many people so low and stupid, some you could even call evil (Mr. Uri Carnat would come to mind), that do not have a soul and still work for GEOS Canada. Some might have no other skills or enough of a work ethic to be employed elsewhere, but that is not an excuse for wokring for such an inept and corrupt organization any longer. I know I would never hire anyone who is still at GEOS today. Can't be a great resume I only chose Canada as an example because that is where I worked until recently this year. Couldn't have been more happy to be gone.

GEOS Canada lies keep coming...

Well, here in Vancouver GEOS has a street sign outside their building that reads "Over 550 schools in 18 countries." Should read less than 200 "schools" in two countries, with most of those being in Japan....and falling. When I asked the front desk about the sign being misleading (and recently posted on their Facebook account to much fanfare), they gave me the cold shoulder and ignored me. Nice, eh?

Explains why GEOS Canada is all over the free Internet boards like Craigslist and Kijiji. Can't be doing well if they are so depserate to lie and spend employees (read: free interns) time everyday posting on such sites.

Yuzu, you sound like an absolute wanker! Two years of biting your lip??? more like two years of not making an effort to improve you surroundings. good ridence to bad rubbish!

7:16 You are either completely ignorant (no experience in GEOS) or a GEOS stooge to write something like that. Anyone who has been inside the abyss known as GEOS knows they cannot do anything to "change their environment." Things are done the GEOS way, no matter how ass-backwards. Simply put, if you have a brain and are hard working, you must keep your mouth shut for fear of stoking the great GEOS almighty inferiority complex. Hence why GEOS went BANKRUPT and why you are wrong.

Geos miki school closed because G com can't find teachers, I think g . Com may have bitten off more than they can chew,

Yuzu, you sound like an absolute wanker!

Seconded.

You are either completely ignorant (no experience in GEOS)

.... or one could argue that not having experience in said Mcgeosestablishment might improve ones chances of not actually being ignorant. Just a thought.

WTF?!! First genuine post on here in a long time that doesn't consist of some jaded Japan resident moaning about GEOS NA and what's left of the regular crowd jumps on the poor guy. So what if he bit his lip for two years? He wouldn't be the first. He gets to live in Japan for a few years, does a shit job, learns his lesson, moves on, the world keeps turning. I feel more sorry for the whiney eikaiwa veteran "teachers" who didn't/couldn't get the hell out in time and are now stuck. 07:16 I'm looking at you, you tit.

And please, for the love of god please stop throwing round the word 'stooge' around again. There no stooges left, company's dead and gone.

Jesus, grow some perspective.

20:37 You are a stooge.

I honestly couldn't care less about people who call me out. "Good riddance to bad rubbish," you say? Poetic.

I looked for work the entire time I was with GEOS. Began my stay in Japan working in Kitakyushu, for a demented woman and her equally demented stalker daughter. Within a month I moved to Kyoto and started work with GEOS. I was pretty naive in thinking I would find better work quickly.

I was pretty exhausted at that point having worked the previous year in Korea and having spent a wonderful summer with family and friends in Vancouver. Worked my ass off going to school full-time as well as working full-time as a lifeguard for the previous 4 and 1/2 years. It was my dream to come here for the experience, both culturally and as a teacher. But, exhaustion crept up and at one point I had to call off a number of interviews that I had gotten while I was still looking for work in Kitakyushu. They were pretty decent paying, especially considering what the going rate is now. But, what's the use in complaining.

Things might've been different if I had taken a job as an ALT or with another company but, hey that's the way it goes. I know that I am a more complete person for living in Kyoto and experiencing all I could experience as far as learning about Japanese History, Buddhism (particularly Zen), gardens, literature, poetry, cuisine, geography, teamwork, politics, friendship, love and on and on. I have had loads of negative experiences too. Now, that I stop and ponder it is amazing I didn't leave sooner. But, I wasn't in any hurry to get back to my previous life, a life that was, in my imagination at least, one that was becoming increasingly all to predictable.

It was sort of a Catch 22, I knew what to expect from GEOS; the pay wasn't great but, the pull of all the history and culture was very strong. On the other hand I could move again (try finding work in Kyoto); I could start at another company for the same amount of money; but, that company might be even worse. In the end I chose the city I wanted and continued to build friendships and knowledge.

So maybe I didn't officially improve myself. But, if I were to judge my last two years, in many ways, I would be able to say that they were a great success. I will be able to use all of the skills and new ideas to great use and will probably end up back here soon. There will be many, many people here waiting to see me again. So that is always good. I didn't end up one of those mythical Japanese success stories; I didn't come away with a bucket load of money; I didn't stay and fight the good fight with my own school. I don't think I ever intended any of these outcomes.

Looking forward to two weeks of fishing with my family at a place called Jann Lake in Northern Saskatchewan followed by two weeks of spear fishing with a good friend on Harbor Island in the Bahamas. I wouldn't trade my life for another.

Yuzu, nice read. So refreshing on here. Nice to see an intelligent and level-headed person get out of the GEOS debauchery. Sayanora to corruption and scumbags; enjoy your life.

More info leaking out of the decrepit, dirty ship known as GEOS/ G. comm. This time from GEOS NA...

A. This past year, at least since early 2009, GEOS NA was forced to make "special" payments totaling CDN $7,000 a month to GEOS Japan. After the fall, this seems to have stopped. GEOS Canada schools were also paying $4,000 a month to GEOS NA HO. Yup, the money flows are interesting.

B. Just before long-time GEOS employee and GEOS Ottawa school manager Martha Munroe was unceremoniously booted from her school because "she just wasn't performing", GEOS Ottawa was 1) GROWING student enrollment and 2) BEATING ALL GEOS CANADA SCHOOLS in profit and collection of payment! Yes, GEOS Vancouver has slid to second-last in the profit rankings in Canada, after being first for so long under ex-manager Nolfo. GEOS Montreal, under Uri Carnat that many know on here, was SECOND. Yes, second...Even though most were led to believe by Uri that GEOS Montreal was the "top performing school..." Rumour has it that Uri was afraid that 1) people would notice his own shortcomings in Japan for missing targets and b) they would keep the GEOS Ottawa school open longer, thus making it harder for him to re-divert Ottawa students to Montreal. Thus, Uri fired Martha quickly using the excuse that she took too many sick days. The reality is GEOS Ottawa moved to a smaller school location and had it's French language program canned so it would nto compete with Montreal, all due to Uri's decisions. Martha was the top performer in Canada, but Uri made sure that would not last. Welcome to GEOS, people.

Shawn, this is accurate and pertinent information. Please do not erase it. Many people have been and will get hurt by GEOS shenanigans. Martha gave many years of her life to GEOS, yet in return she was told to "pick up her belongings in a brown paper bag at the front." Yes, a direct order from Uri Carnat himself, even though Uri Carnat was hired by Martha Munroe in the beginning (and she somehow missed that he lies on his resume, which many are now finding out)! People like me need to out this information so people really know what is going on. And so any potential buyer (crazy?) really knows the rot that is GEOS NA.

Thank you for listening.

$7000 from each school each month sent to Japan pre-bankruptcy. Can you say "bleeding money"?

$4,000 to GEOS Canada HO every month....Can you say "re-sent to Japan"?

Just to add some info, GEOS Ottawa was the top performing school in North America, believe it or not. Hence why GEOS Montreal is poaching Saudi students from there now. Most American schools were in the middle, with GEOS NY taking the biggest dive in success after Mike left. Bottom two? GEOS Vancouver and GEOS Toronto! Yup. GEOS Toronto is on the chopping block, but like most schools in Canada, they have a long-term lease that must be paid. Hence the temporary survival.

Well, I know in 2009 GEOS Ottawa had to send $24,000 or so a MONTH (!) to GEOS HO in Japan. The head office was siphoning as much as they could before the fall, and most ended up in Special K's pockets. Of course, most GEOS NA schools could not meet those ridiculous targets every month.

It is clear to all it would seem that they engaged in illegal money laundering activities left right and centre at the expense of the Canadian Tax Payers.

What really concerns me is the recent chitter chatter / rumours about AEON as well. Is there any substance behind it? With all the trouble out there I am thinking just maybe where there is smoke there is fire. I hope it is not true and that it is just idle gossip.

Gossip or not my guess is it won't be long before G Comm and ECC have the entire traditional Eikaiwa market with the Mom and Pops Schools picking up the balance.

I think ECC will become the ultimate victor because the G Comm belief that brand names like Nova or GEOS retain value is quite possibly paper thin. I think to the consumer loyalty to those brands could be like showing a preference to buy used toilet paper. I think the fast food group must have bought the rights to those brand names for next to nothing. What then if ECC takes over the entire space. Is ECC just as bad as the others?

Difference is, the above postings are not rumours. Some credible evidence (documents, etc.) to back it up. We cannot post those for obvious reasons, but you can see more specific numbers this time. More will come as we sift through things.

4K, 7K, 24K. That all seems like big money to a teacher but it is not going to attract much government interest in terms of getting an investigation underway since the cost of the investigation would be over an above the monies pilfered and they won't want to dig a further hole into the tax payers pocket. You need to launch a media campaign going and push for a criminal investigation IN THE PUBLIC EYE if you ever want to smell the lovely smell of justice on this one. Coming on to LETSJAPAN is not going to do it. You need newspapers and industry bodies and talk back radio swamped with the activity of these Japanese crooks. The whole world needs to know about these criminal Japanese outfits pretending to be language schools.

Update: GEOS Canadian schools ended up sending $50,000 A MONTH to Japan. That IS a lot when you realize it is from all the world schools (more in Australia)...I do realize it is small compared to other companies and the global logistics needed to prosecute is huge and expensive. However, the more that we can leak on here will help...I also have more insight into the dirty tactics and operations of GEOS NA coming soon.

If any knows about the Gcomm funding being sent to NA schools, please write it on here.

Can somebody please explain what is illegal sending money to the head office in Japan. I don't understand why it is illegal. While it obviously shows the dependancy of the J-Geos on the schools in foreign countries, I don't understand what the legal ramifications are.

Mid-July 2009 things were really rough for Martha Munroe here in Ottawa. Mr Kusunoki had instructed that 29 million yen (call it $C350k approx) be gathered up from GEOS NA. The head honcho in this financial exercise NAside was, apparently, Uri C. In typical fashion and sort of side-stepping responsibility he put together at GEOS something called the GEOS East Team and put Martha in charge. Martha was told to round up money from six GEOS schools as follows:
Ottawa Y4million
NY - Y10million
Boston - Y2million
Costa - Y5million
Montreal - Y6million
Toronto - Y2million
Martha really tried. I think she got to about 80% of the target. Not entirely sure about that. But with such pressure, coupled with a lack of real collegiate support, is it any wonder her health was affected.
Sure, there's nothing wrong about cashing-up or forwarding profits to a Head Office but what is clear from stuff like this in NA and in OZ and NZ is that GEOS HO in 2009 could see bad trouble.
Yes. @6.55 GEOS NA schools continue to send $4k to $5k a month as a management services fee to GEOS NA HO.
(Maybe that should be HO, Ho,Ho!)
via Internet Cafe, Ottawa

Was going to post that info, but thought I would wait a little. Good to see we have someone in the know on here. ;-) The numbers are absolutely accurate. There was East and West teams.

As for legality, well you have to be in the know on a few things. It is not illegal to send money to a HO per se, but it has to be done in accordance with a system in regards to accounting and international tax rules. Let's just say that there was not system, at least in regards to proper business practices, and the money fluctuated depending upon how much was "needed" by Mr. K for his own benefit. Also, the money was transferred through dubious means to avoid the scrutiny of accountants, tax people in Japan and NA, and so on. Internet cafe, anyone? The above poster is spot on. They also sent through off-record-the-record electronic ways. The "management fee" to GEOS NA head office was re-diverted to Japan, at least some of it. Obviously not legal way.

The fact remains that Martha was beating Uri. C. at his own game and Uri C. did not like that. So he needed an excuse to kick her out, which came through her absences due to stress from GEOS. Convenient, eh? His master plan, still in effect, is to re-direct Saudi students, who pay through yearly scholarships, to GEOS Montreal. Just like the French program that conveniently went to Montreal. Dirty GEOS is right.

Anyone in the know: what was the official GEOS NA head office when money was being sent there? Some confusing info whether it was Vancouver or Montreal, or even New York at the time..........

What really concerns me is the recent chitter chatter / rumours about AEON as well. Is there any substance behind it? With all the trouble out there I am thinking just maybe where there is smoke there is fire. I hope it is not true and that it is just idle gossip.

AEON have pretty much stayed under the radar - no one was saying anything about them all the time that all the rumours were circulating about GEOS. There is nothing concrete to suggest that anything might be wrong, but at the same time it seems to me their whole operation is pretty similar to that of GEOS, and in this economic climate with the demand for English lessons so low I can't imagine how they could be doing much better.

If anyone has ever been inside of a GEOS or AEON operation, it can be only described as a really dirty used car superstore operations. There is daily, hourly pressure to SELL services and get payment from students. Daily targets for an average GEOS NA school are around $7,000 in sales, and ALL staff (yes, even secretaries) are required to sell to meet the ridiculous targets. GEOS NA schools have to send insane daily cash target reports, etc. to GEOS/ G,comm Japan. And the e-mails to staff keep flying in about "meet the goal!', "take the challenge". "sell yourself and GEOS to the devil!!!" It is absolutely insane, and that is why academics is really non-existent at GEOS school. Sales is the focus; they have completely forgotten and do not care about education.

Last year, GEOS Ottawa was on the brink of collapse. This was well before the . Martha used to send out e-mails almost daily about selling services, meeting targets, team-this, team-that.........It never let up. She was worried about her job, especially after returning from Japan.

The school almost failed but then it turned around (thanks to the Saudi embassy) and started becoming the one everyone in the GEOS NA looked to as the star performer. Sorry, Uri, but GEOS Montreal could never match Martha. Like someone else said, that is why Uri C. destroyed GEOS Ottawa by eliminating French courses (imagine that in the bi-lingual capital) and sucked Saudi students to Montreal through the back door. Of course most of us knew dirty Uri was trying to end Martha's rein as soon as he can, and it become urgent when Martha started to kick his little ass all over the place in regards to sales/ target and all the other GEOS b*llshit. So, before Martha could get bigger Uri knocked her out. Now, as we all know in "GEOS East", he is siphoning students from Ottawa to his school and playing other dirty tactics. People, welcome to the GEOS back-stabbing world. But Uri Carnat has a good reason to work anyway he can to save his own ass: he has nothing if GEOS collapses. Uri never completed a basic Philosophy degree until he was about 30 years old, lied on his resume about working for a local language school, and then happened upon his current school manager position because the old Montreal manager was the most incompetent idiot you could find. Oh, but Mr. Carnat worked at Sears! Wonder if they will take him back.

My friend works for them and asked what I think. My advice was simple. "History shows when these rumours starting circulating, two things happen. One is that apologists pop up everywhere saying "what rumours, nonsense, everything is ok, everything is under control" and the second is, the company goes bankrupt shortly after that, leaving people in total chaos and panic. Do what you feel like, but wise people learn from history"

Speaking of Ottawa, anyone here about GEOS Ottawa being removed from the Saudi Cultural bureau's institution approval list? I did.

One thing is for sure, Saudi's don't like blatantly being associated with scandal. Everyone, everyone around the world, knows GEOS NA's parent company went massively bankrupt, and the world is a wash with stories of alleged skullduggery. You must distance yourself from GEOS NA completely, other than engaging in the hunt for justice, I think. As far as AEON goes. Well I think anyone with half a brain should study the destination of the same bus rides seen before and then ask themselves the question, do I have enough money put away to get home at short notice? I think people that could be impacted at the very least should be doing additional part-time work just to put a little emergency money to one side and should also should be seriously looking at work elsewhere. I hope it does not end up in another Nova / Fortress / Peppi / GEOS etc etc etc tragedy in the meantime. To be honest I did not think AEON was as bad as the others but when you study the way they have structured their company and then consider the stories swirling around it all starts to look quite scary.

If Saudis do not like scandal, then they must stay away from GEOS. It is amazing how sheltered they are from what has happened to GEOS globally. Although many of the Saudi students are starting to question things, with a few lately writing GEOS Canada schools in search of answers to rumours...

GEOS style: get large pre-payments in so you do not have to actually please students in regards to service and academic quality to retain them. They are essentially throwaway students.

Is this just a happening in GEOS schools outside of Japan? I have heard that in Japan, GEOS has removed the year long contracts, and are now only offering 6 or 3 month contracts.

Also, with regards to the sales targets, what were the based on? Are they just some arbitrary figures or was there some form of calculation used? Seems to me like any business, including schools, need to make money and that sales would need to be pushed. Hopefully those sales pushes would be made easier if the quality of the teachers and lessons were substantial.

If Saudi Embassy pre-pay large sums of money and GEOS NA does not sell and collapses, they will lose a huge amount of money. If the Saudi government had any brains it would pay for their students 3-5 months late to be safe. Cash does not equal profit. The Japanese receiver and the North American managers could be trading recklessly and illegally if they do not have provision for fees in advance plus tax liabilities for North America. In this case, any North American manager who has knowingly participated in this may be exposed to prosecution. The whole thing is hugely risky and I am surprised that GEOS NA has carried on when all the fees in advance have clearly been sucked out. No purchaser yet - which probably indicates it is not profitable- which probably indicates that there is a shortfall of fees in advance. I might be missing something and it is surprising that GEOS NA has continued so long..... Uri Carnat should check with his lawyer regards any potential criminal liability should GEOS NA collapse. As should any NA based receiver (if there is one) Incidentally if there is a scandal, all other NA schools who get Saudi money are likely to see it suspended or held up as the Saudis work out how to stop this happening again. Are the GEOS competitors astute enough to see the scandal coming and take measures now?

To answer the last two posts:

1. Sales are a part of any company. However, with GEOS things are a little different. GEOS NA sales targets are arbitrary, confusing, and sometimes plain ridiculous. Every month there is a different target, and depending upon how much Japan needed before and during bankruptcy, the amounts would change all the time. Yes, $50,000 per school was going out the door to Japan just before the collapse. Bet ya all of it did not show up on the balance sheet of the Japanese parent. Furthermore, the whole NA operation (which probably includes the now deceased European, Australian, etc, operations) just stinksbadly. 99% of all staff meetings and manager time revolves around "making the goal", "pushing it up this month", "working harder for the team and target". Communication from managers, directors, and between employees revolves solely around meeting daily cash targets and end of month goals. NOTHING is to do with academics, long-term educational needs, direction, or similar. Yup, even "Academic Directors" are forced to sell the goal, with them provided with insane sales goals because they are really only salespeople in the company. You are right, if they focused on education, etc. they might not have to sell so hard, cheat and swindle. GEOS is f-ed up and that is why it went bankrupt.

2. The Saudi connection is an interesting thing to watch. King Abdullah's scholarship program i s quite strict and requires a lot of paperwork and actions in order to keep his students. GEOS jumped on the bandwagon for pre-paid cash in the form of 6- and 12-month scholarships, but it might cost them more in the end then they are willing to recognize at this point (warning to potential buyers). Not to mention having only Saudi students in class is bound to hurt your "international" reputation as a diverse learning environment. There is definite indication that GEOS Ottawa has been removed from the SACB approval list. If so, say good-bye to GEOS Ottawa (and maybe why Uri keeps "attracting" Saudi students to Montreal).

At the end of the day, like someone mentioned, there are no buyers lining up to take on GEOS. Simply put, it is a dead brand that no one wants. Saudi students will not help, and probably only hurt, that in the long term.

There has been a lot of talk about Uri Carnat on these boards. I have worked loosely with Uri for a while now (of course I cannot tell you my exact position for obvious reasons). What people are missing is Uri's future intentions. He is not goingt to stay with GEOS in the future. In fact, he has been planning his exit for some time, all the while telling his staff and colleagues about looking to the future and "everything is alright." He knows everything is NOT alright, and therefore he has been planning to enrol in some Business PhD. program. Straight from the horse's mouth. Actually, he has been trying to find a way to do so since he has a pretty shabby Philosophy degree from a pretty low-ranking university in Canada. And since he seemed only to achieve his bachelor's degree at the ripe old age of 29 or 30 and then go on to fudge a few things on his resume...well...of course that is a whole other story.

One needs to look at Mr. Carnat's LinkedIn account for more evidence, which he updates frequentently even when there is realy nothing to update. He changed "School Manager" to "Montreal Business Manager", and he throws out the "former VP" position even though that was a title he gave hmself and lasted all of 2 months. Oh, and he loves using "GEOS Corporation", not an educational organization, etc. But then again, it is GEOS so forget anything about school or education or academics.

So if you think things are all rosey and peachy in GEOS NA land, especially just because your leader says so, you are completely lost. When the "Regional Director" is planning to make a quick exit just before things collapse and after he has worked you to the bone, much like Mike did in NYC, then you need to be worried. Pity the b-school the accepts him.

G'day fom Australia. Fascinating recent posts. Deja vu for us teachers in Australia. Australia GEOS managers and directors saying "evertything fine, no worries, mate, she'll be apples". Simutaneously they were shipping buckets of money off to Japan, letting student numbers drift off, generally letting the wheels fall off the GEOS wagon. We also saw those management people jumping their jobs and saving themselves and thier holiday pay a few months before the Aussie GEOS collapse. And the students at GEOS Australia? They really didn't matter a **uk to GEOS. Regulating authorities interest in the debacle then and now was basically nil...just patch up re-enrolments at other schools and "don't rock the boat, chaps." GEOS in America and Canada, just deja vu to the max for us Skippies. Enjoy the ride.......

We have encouraged our son to consider the reality with these kinds of businesses in the past, were smoke turned out to be an indicator of raging fires, and thus to come on home. But he stays on. Can anyone provide evidence of AEON paying salaries late or deferring salaries or bonuses? Anything that could help us to help our son see common sense would be appreciated. We worry that our boy will soon be stuck in Japan with no job and no money. Any help, so grateful, so very, very grateful.

AEON rumours.....]

in a time when a drop would warrant flood warnings, NOTHING is going on with AEON. I would be more worried that you boy is picking up an STD or two....

Who is the same person who keps posting shxt about Uri over and over, month after month??? Geezus...get over it! I know the economy is bad in North America and you cant find a job that accepts G.E.D. holders like GEOS did. GEOS was a dead end anyway! No one on here gives a shxt about Uri...just you!!! Stop being a stalker and get a life. You are soo pathetic....its really sad.

That's right. If you want to see the back of Uri, then shut up. How the hell can he get a job otherwise?

The reason this one particular poster (female most likely) comes on LJ everyday to slander Uri and uses different handles to make it look like multiple persons, as shes knows she would get sued for defamation of character and slander and would lose big time in a court of law if she didnt come on LJ and hide herself. She certiantly doesnt have the resources to defend herself from such a lawsuit while making miniumum wage.

*** If you want defame someone, start your own website (you probably couldnt afford it anyway) and slander Uri. No need for you to stink up this website with your garabage and false information and daily updates about Uri`s personal hygiene and the quality of Uri`s toilet paper. You are a real freak. Get help and get meds for your out of control obession with Uri...its real UNHEALTHY.

This goes to show everybody out there, make sure you hire qualified workers and do extensive background checks and credit checks and weed out the bottom feeders...which can be hard to do when you pay people miniumum wage like GEOS. GEOS NA made a BIG mistake to hire G.E.D. holders, the uneducated, the overweight, mentally ill, the ignorant and just plain stupid people and this is the result of GEOS NA poor highering standards.......a psychotic (former) employee who hides on the internet and post nonfactual stories about their boss. Its people like this disgruntled employee that must make GEOS NA a real hell-hole to work in, keep wages real low and quality of service at rock bottom.

The reason this one particular poster (female most likely) comes on LJ everyday to slander Uri and uses different handles to make it look like multiple persons, as shes knows she would get sued for defamation of character and slander and would lose big time in a court of law if she didnt come on LJ and hide herself. She certiantly doesnt have the resources to defend herself from such a lawsuit while making miniumum wage.

*** If you want defame someone, start your own website (you probably couldnt afford it anyway) and slander Uri. No need for you to stink up this website with your garabage and false information and daily updates about Uri`s personal hygiene and the quality of Uri`s toilet paper. You are a real freak. Get help and get meds for your out of control obession with Uri...its real UNHEALTHY.

This goes to show everybody out there, make sure you hire qualified workers and do extensive background checks and credit checks and weed out the bottom feeders...which can be hard to do when you pay people miniumum wage like GEOS. GEOS NA made a BIG mistake to hire G.E.D. holders, the uneducated, the overweight, mentally ill, the ignorant and just plain stupid people and this is the result of GEOS NA poor highering standards.......a psychotic (former) employee who hides on the internet and post nonfactual stories about their boss. Its people like this disgruntled employee that must make GEOS NA a real hell-hole to work in, keep wages real low and quality of service at rock bottom.

Totally agree! Get yourself some help. You have been bad mouthing this guy for months on end and its time you step away and move on with your life. Its totally ridiculous, unhealthy and very very weird/strange of you to be this obsessive. You dont fool anybody with your different handles. We know its only one person and you need to visit a mental hospital and get "cured". I can only imagine what you are in real life: a loser. Sad, isnt it??

To the OP:
its hiring standards...not highering standards.

Yes leave the poor boss of this outfit with pitiful highering standards alone for heavens sakes. He needs a JOB.....

14:50 You are obviously Mr. Uri C. himself because of the typical response (vested interest?) but also because the posting comes in the morning, Canada time. Hah! On schedule for arriving at work, eh?

By the way, there is not just one poster on here. I know I have posted about my experience with Uri in the past, but only once. So there is at least two of us who have posted here. Judging by the different writing styles and varying information and experience, I am sure there are more. And it is not "defamation" when it is the truth and you are the public face of a dying, scandalous company. There have been some very enlightening things said on here about the man himself, even if sometimes said in a very emotional manner. That is what happens when people are managed/treated poorly. Arrogance catches up with the perpetrator.

You have to love people who love to reply to their own posts to make it seem like someone agrees with them.

I do agree with the person above that the pro-Uri posts came at a very interesting time...Back to work time for GEOS Canada. Hmmmm, wonder who could have written those? No one else would be so emotional. Please, in a BANKRUPT company like GEOS I am sure there are MANY people who want to out Uri Carnat. The guy takes credit for everything, so I am sure many want him also to take responsibility in the same manner.

My issue is not so much with the staff or teachers at GEOS Canada, whether incompetent or whatnot. It is the idiotic, uneducated, height-deficient managers who a) hire such teachers and staff and b) could never get a real management or leadership job in any other industry. They should consider themselves lucky they even have a job given their total lack of any proper business education or training, or morale standards.

14:50 Why do you think the poster is female if you are just some anonymous ranter on here? Why threaten someone with slander if you are just an observing party to this mess called GEOS?

Nice to see you on here, Uri. ;-)

A better comment in relation to the posts is...

"You reap what you sow..."

I see nothing that even resembles "defamation" or "slander". I just feel a bit of frustration and anger coming from the posters in regards to the Uri guy. I am sure there is good reason for them to take the time to write on here, just as we saw so many angry posts from ex-GEOS Australia employees when things crashed into bankruptcy and their managers had jumped ship just before it GEOS boat sank.

Huh?

The reason this one particular poster (female most likely) comes on LJ everyday to slander Uri and uses different handles to make it look like multiple persons, as shes knows she would get sued for defamation of character and slander and would lose big time in a court of law if she didnt come on LJ and hide herself. She certiantly doesnt have the resources to defend herself from such a lawsuit while making miniumum wage.

a) You know SHE is "female"? Obviously you know more than the rest of us on this board...more than you seem to be willing to admit.

b) "she would get sued for defamation of character and slander and would lose big time in court" Them fightin' words! Hah! What a joke.....LOL. Like a chuhuahua. Time to put a muzzle on the lil' guy.

c) "...if she didn't come on LJ and hide herself"? Ummmmmmmm, I like the name you used in your post..."Anonymous." Ironic. Are you scared of something? Someone? Hiding oneself?

d) "She doesn't have the resources...minimum wage?" Wow, this guy is back about minimum wage. Um, how do you know that? I would say GEOS managers make only about 25 cents more per hour than a teacher, less if you factor in all the free overtime hours they have to work to kiss Special K's butt. And they will be liable for the collapse of GEOS NA when it happens. :-P

e) "Certiantly"? C-E-R-T-A-I-N-L-Y. "Miniumum"? M-I-N-I-M-U-M. Damn GEOS managers need to learn how to spell.

:-P

Please Stop!! You're killing me.

I am LMAO! Killing me, too! Laughed so hard I actually snorted.

Keep up the good work, 7:16. You almost made me cry (in a good way). :-)

and this is the result of GEOS NA poor highering standards

Beautiful....

"Highering" is one of dem dare GEOSes manager words, didn't cha know?

Maybe the Uris of the world have more to worry about if they leave GEOS...

Your comments regarding STD's are very inappropriate. We have heard they have paid salaries late twice in the last year. True or not, does not matter now anyway because our son has seen common sense and is coming home. Where there is smoke there is fire and when this happened with other English Language Instruction businesses in Japan they eventually went bankrupt. We are thankful our son won't be caught up in any mess and has seen the light.

Where there is smoke, there is smoke. There may be fire there as well, but who cares. Smoke is unhealthy and it stinks. Stay away from it.

The Uri Carnat stuff is boring. I have only a passing interest in GEOS NA, and all I really need to know about this Uri person is that he was one of Kusanoki's chief bootlickers and therefore probably a bit of a dick. I'm more interested in the people who took over GEOS and who will be deciding what they want to do with GEOS NA. Years of loyal service to former employers will mean absolutely nothing to them when they start wielding the knife, but people like Uri will probably be set if they brush up on their skills of brown-nosing and sounding like they know what they're doing. The people running G.com know nothing about teaching or running language schools, so they're easily impressed by anyone who talks the talk.

This Uri Carnat character sounds like such a legend, I'd really like to know more about him. Anybody got any Internet links to this legend of GEOS and Lets Japan?

This Uri Carnat character sounds like such a legend, I'd really like to know more about him. Anybody got any Internet links to this legend of GEOS and Lets Japan?

If you really want to know more about middle management non-entities you must be very odd. Such people are irrelevant; if G.com decide to hold on to GEOS NA he'll still be a middle management non-entity who does what he's told, no different to all the other losers in the same position. If they fire him or cut GEOS NA loose, there will be absolutely no reason to keep posting boring crap about him on a website about eikaiwa in Japan.

Mr. X, you want to know the direction of GEOS NA but you find Uri boring? Okay, he is not as suave as he thinks...But he IS at the center of GEOS NA and the info about him is highly relevant to the future of GEOS NA.

That's all I can say for now.

Mr. X, you want to know the direction of GEOS NA but you find Uri boring?

Do I want to know the direction of GEOS NA? No, actually. I couldn't care less. I check this site to find out what's happening with regard to English language teaching in Japan. I fully appreciate that some people take an interest in GEOS NA because of its Japanese parent, but until anyone has any substantial information to divulge and cuts all this "I know what's going on but can't say anything" stuff, it doesn't concern me in the least.

why has g-com- geos japan dropped off the radar here? still loads of rumours and dodgy stuff happening.

little stuff: it seems at least some (all?) geos leopalace occupants have hade their internet cut.

bigger stuff: i hear a g-com director has been arrested - something to do with them not actually having the money they promised to put into geos.

and kusunoki pleading his case in a higher court right now.

then there are the additional school closures; the schools that have barely taught any lessons since april; the new, largely meaningless "contracts" trickling out and the general feeling that very little has been done since april. (and geos students defecting to aeon, at least according to one of their teachers in my town.)

unfortunately i don't read japanese, so i just hear this stuff word of mouth. if anyone can confirm or deny any of these rumours, it'd be appreciated.

there are still quite a few of us stuck in the corpse of geos - not for love, but recognition that there is not much better out there, and they are still paying our salaries. what is happening now doesn't seem to make much sense, and fuck knows what is coming in the future. if anybody has any insight into the situation, or can make any intelligent guesses about what is going on - don't hold back!

anonymussel: Have you heard anything on how Gcomm is providing funding to GEOS NA? The only way they are surviving because I know most of the schools are bleeding money, and maybe only Ottawa and a few American school will/ might turn a profit this month, what is supposed to be the busiest month in the year. Come September, everything will dry up. Where will the money come from and for how long? What is the status of GEOS NA in relation to GEOS Japan?

Many thanks.

Uri is not amused with your posts.

Another interesting snippit about GEOS's new lords and masters. A little while ago, G.communication joined the Incubator Network for SMEs (Small and Medium Enterprises), affiliated to the Incubator Bank of Japan. They've been all over the news because they were making dodgy loans to one of the companies in the group and then destroying the evidence. The bank president, Takeshi Kimura, was arrested for obstructing an FSA audit by ordering emails to be deleted. http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/20100715TDY01T05.htm
So, not very reassuring to think that these are the kinds of people that GEOS's new owners think it's ok to to connected to.

On an unrelated topic, I never said I found Uri Carnat boring; that would be impossible as I've never met him. It's the incessant posts about him that are boring.

unfortunately i don't read japanese, so i just hear this stuff word of mouth. if anyone can confirm or deny any of these rumours, it'd be appreciated.

there are still quite a few of us stuck in the corpse of geos - not for love, but recognition that there is not much better out there, and they are still paying our salaries. what is happening now doesn't seem to make much sense, and fuck knows what is coming in the future. if anybody has any insight into the situation, or can make any intelligent guesses about what is going on - don't hold back!

The word on Kuchikomi and other j-sites about GEOS is, "all our students are happy with GEOS", "GEOS is the best langauge school in Japan", " GEOS teachers are highly qualified"...etc.etc...garbage like that. Its obvious that G. Com has full time staff devoted to monitoring Kuchikomi and other Japanese message boards and flooding them with lies and misinformation. Nothing negative about G. Com floating around on the j-sites either. G. Com/GEOS is doing a good job stopping the leaks and information control.

People posting about Uri: Its is really boring. Get a life.

Mr. X: for those of us who have the fortune, or maybe I should misfortune, of meeting the man in the spotlight, Mr. Uri Carnat, I assure you the posts are not boring. In fact, they are. The problem is not all people get what is really being said. There is a lot of information you would not understand or even be aware of in the posts unless you had some intimate knowledge of GEOS NA operations, etc. Maybe "borin" for you, but very enlightening for us. We are kind of like code-talker, providing each other with updates about status, condition of GEOS NA, etc. without the general populace on this board really knowing everything. So maybe the face-value posting are a little dry from time-to-time, but never boring I assure you. You just have to have been in GEOS NA to really understand.

By the way, everything being said about the Uri guy is correct. A few details missing here and there, but I am sure they will come out eventually. I might add a thing or two once I verify it.

i'm afraid the little i know about GEOS NA comes frome these boards. i am way down the food chain here in japan - i just keep my eyes and ears open and try to see the big picture. i'm sorry if my post suggested otherwise.

mr.x and 21:12 - thanks for the info. i guess the story i heard about "a g-com director" being arrested was really about the incubator japan guy. good news, i suppose.

I do not find the posting about Uri Carnat boring at all. In fact they are quite hilarious, especially if you ever met the guy or had that unfortunate opportunity to work. Like someone mentioned earlier, you reap what you sow. Maybe his actions and attitude are coming back to haunt him online.

The money movement ($$$ to GEOS NA HO and Japan) were very interesting. Nice to see the exact numbers. Anyone with further financial details are always welcomed to post on here. I know I would be very interested, especially given the stuff I have heard. Also, the info about Martha and how she was treated was entertaining to more than a few of us. Some of us only hear the stories, but always through other people and sometimes boards like this. Poor Niall better take a stand against Uri, because I know Uri thinks he is his little b*tch. The next few months in Ottawa will be interest...Or should I say GEOS team East. ;-)

I do not find the posting about Uri Carnat boring at all. In fact they are quite hilarious, especially if you ever met the guy or had that unfortunate opportunity to work. Like someone mentioned earlier, you reap what you sow. Maybe his actions and attitude are coming back to haunt him online.

The money movement ($$$ to GEOS NA HO and Japan) were very interesting. Nice to see the exact numbers. Anyone with further financial details are always welcomed to post on here. I know I would be very interested, especially given the stuff I have heard. Also, the info about Martha and how she was treated was entertaining to more than a few of us. Some of us only hear the stories, but always through other people and sometimes boards like this. Poor Niall better take a stand against Uri, because I know Uri thinks he is his little b*tch. The next few months in Ottawa will be interest...Or should I say GEOS team East. ;-)

The word on Kuchikomi and other j-sites about GEOS is, "all our students are happy with GEOS", "GEOS is the best langauge school in Japan", " GEOS teachers are highly qualified"...etc.etc...garbage like that. Its obvious that G. Com has full time staff devoted to monitoring Kuchikomi and other Japanese message boards and flooding them with lies and misinformation. Nothing negative about G. Com floating around on the j-sites either. G. Com/GEOS is doing a good job stopping the leaks and information control.

This is happening at GEOS NA. Especially in relation to employees posting the reality of the dire situation at GEOS these days. Tight ship. Stuff still gets out. But the above comment is exactly what Uri is orchestrating at GEOS NA right now, so obviously not so boring after all.

Why obviously not so boring? Sounds to me like he's doing exactly the same thing that a whole bunch of other GEOS muppets are doing, so I fail to see why he merits all the attention. I don't see people coming on here to complain about GEOS managers in Japan they don't like. Anyway, to anyone who has never had any kind of connection to GEOS NA or Uri Carnat, these posts ARE boring. Like I said, he's a GEOS manager and he'll probably just continue being a twat like they all do. That's all I need or want to know about him. If this thread is going to turn into a private discussion group for an in-the-know clique to pass "encrypted" messages to each other, I'm not going to bother reading any more.

It is much more than just being a "twat".......So much has been and will be said. You need to go back to the posts a few months ago to really get a handle what a few of us have been commenting on.

No one talks about GEOS Japan managers because they really do not exist anymore. They are now Gcomm managers, and most flew the coup a while ago.

Having a couple of beers in the Forbes Hotel on York Street in Sydney on Tuesday night, a few ex-GEOS mates shooting the breeze (and watching the chicks go by, great pub for that) and the topic turned to Mr Kusunoki and his money and what is he doing with his cash these days. Places like NZ and Pommy Land and even the good 'ol US of A got mentioned as locations where an old smartie who knew the english business might park their spare roll - and influence - in a language school or two. Any tweeks on this, folks???

Hasn't Rudd been kicked out the door in Aussie land? LOL.

If you want to follow the money trail, look at the only remaining GEOS operations...Yes, NA. Money got exchanged several times before the collapse, which has already been covered on this board a while back. Usually in the form of "special payments" to Mr. K through other GEOS school worldwide (I think Turkey was one of them). It always gets skimmed off the top if it is not a direct, full payment per se. A lot of shifting of money on a global basis opens opportunities for laundering. Someone also mentioned about the Internet cafe deal at GEOS Ottawa. That person would be very correct. Why else would you head to the local Internet cafe to do an "e-transfer" if you were a legitimate, law-abiding business. GEOS Ottawa and Montreal were sending out $50,000 Cdn. a month to Mr. K just before the collapse. Can't imagine that got reported directly to the creditors in Japan or even Gcomm. You can figure the rest.

So, what u reckon? Has M K bankrolled NZ and UK operations? Is his money back in th USA and Canada? Have all ben flimflammed again? Anyon got any info? Gawd, I sound lik Juli Gillard!!!!! Hlp!!!

Well, GEOS NA schools are starting not to make monthly cash targets (expenses, including special payments, and small profit allowances) again...........Looks like pre-paid summer tuition starting to dry up. Yes, Ottawa is working a special deal with a local summer ESL school program/ former competitor. But that won't help the long term. Montreal is desperate for a new pre-payment scheme now that summer camp money has gone bye-bye. Toronto is still Toronto...failing. But the biggest loser is Vancouver, once the darling of the GEOS organization. That is what happens when you force the Queen of GEOS NA to leave because you have an elementary school attitude and need attention. New York is pretty crap now (read: failing slowly) since Mikey left to EC. Again, talent leaves; stale water stays.

Uri clamped down on things for a while, in regards to anonymous postings. But as this posting confirms, he is once again losing his little grip on his fiefdom. GEOS Montreal is a cesspool of of rumour and speculation......And it all, conveniently, comes out on these and other boards with ease. Sometimes even on GEOS computers (making programs are great, aren't they?)!

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